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« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2010, 04:19:53 pm »

Irayo, realy helps Smiley
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Personally i don`t take the Na`vi as alien because i think i understand them.

When I look on the news and see what horrible things are happening around the world I can`t help but wonder what is the source of them and therefore my own race is becoming more and more alien to me as time passes by.

Does that make any sense?
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« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2010, 08:49:35 pm »

I've created an "Open Questions" page on the Learn Na'vi wiki based on wm.annis' post at the start of this thread.

http://wiki.learnnavi.org/Open_Questions

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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2010, 10:52:52 pm »

Now why would people hit you??

This is a supportive community..... i hope... Tongue

Anyway, the only reason we won't have heard from Frommer is due to copyright licensing. as the language is technically an asset of the film, it is in Fox's hands, not Dr. Frommer's. Shame, but i'd imagine we'll get a learners guide soon, or something to that effect.
I do recall Neytiri hitting Jake when not pronouncing nari correctly...  Grin
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« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2010, 10:56:08 pm »

It's called constructive criticism. Tongue
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« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2010, 10:56:19 pm »

i recall his tail flailing upon said hit ( which for some reason was just utter hilarious to me ) Also kinda cute LOL

thats also alot we dont know . . . . hopefully we can get those answers soon *crosses fingers*
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« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2010, 10:59:49 pm »

It's called constructive criticism. Tongue

There's constructive, and then there is abusive Tongue

hehe

Well, we don't want any violence round these parts, that's for sure.

We too awesome for that.
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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2010, 11:02:33 pm »

she hit him to get his attention. They must be able to read body language very well . . . i know i can and he was focused somehwere else LOL . . . id hit him too Cheesy
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« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2010, 02:30:15 am »

Now why would people hit you??

This is a supportive community..... i hope... Tongue

Anyway, the only reason we won't have heard from Frommer is due to copyright licensing. as the language is technically an asset of the film, it is in Fox's hands, not Dr. Frommer's. Shame, but i'd imagine we'll get a learners guide soon, or something to that effect.
I do recall Neytiri hitting Jake when not pronouncing nari correctly...  Grin

Bah !I was making a joke at the time  Tongue

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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2010, 02:43:46 am »

I know you were Tongue

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« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2010, 02:41:36 pm »

I've created an "Open Questions" page on the Learn Na'vi wiki based on wm.annis' post at the start of this thread.
http://wiki.learnnavi.org/Open_Questions

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« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2010, 02:56:26 pm »

I've created an "Open Questions" page on the Learn Na'vi wiki based on wm.annis' post at the start of this thread.
http://wiki.learnnavi.org/Open_Questions

Currently returns "No input file specified.". Smiley


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« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2010, 12:45:50 am »

The wiki appears to be down at this time.  Hopefully it will come back up soon, and hopefully all the stuff we've put there will still be there.  But only Seabass knows for sure. Smiley

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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2010, 11:54:58 pm »

I saw two things on the list that we didn't know, but as of recently we now do.

1) Trials are formed with the sibling to me+ (for 2), which is the prefix pxe+, which like me+ and ay+ cause lenition. So:

    mefa'li = 2 direhorses
    pxefa'li = 3 direhorses

   The trial pronouns also begin with px-.

   As a side note, nouns formed via the nominalizing prefix tì- are also subject to lenition. So "3 noble truths" might be rendered as:

      pxesìngay anawm

2) The honorific/deferential verb infix <uy> is tertiary/class 3 so it comes after any others within the verb and in a multi-syllable verb with no other infixes, it comes in the final position. (e.g.: taron >>> tar<uy>on). In that respect, it is a sibling to <ei> (happy about it) & <äng> (not happy about it) and it cannot coexist or "stack" with either. You must choose which emotion you want to express:

    <ei> pleasure/satisfaction
    <äng> displeasure/dissatisfaction
    <uy> deference/humility/formality

It is always optional and once you have used it to set a tone, you can "step away" in your address or conversation and then optionally come back to it at another point or at the end if you feel the extra emphasis is needed.

This information comes to me from Paul Frommer, Otherwise I would not state it so factually. I always think it's a good idea to explain when we're conjecturing or being "creative" with examples that we clarify that. If you see me NOT doing so, please bring it to my attention and the attention of everyone else.

I think this list of things that "we don't know" is a great idea, and that it will also be encouraging to see those things move either gradually, one by one, or en masse to another column. I'm not one who would be opposed to three columns. (1) Unknown (2) Unattested (3) Incontrovertible. 
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« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2010, 12:06:26 am »

I can't find a PDF I printed out (and then lost the e-copy of when my computer died at the beginning of January). It has a Lexicon I wish I had in a form other than print.

I don't know what the file is called but it has a ToC and deals with Phonology & Orthography, Vowels, Consonants, Grammar, and looks to be professionally produced. 32 pages (my print version) and colored. It also has cool formatted page numbers at the bottom of the page.

Please help me locate this file, and its proper name and author (so I can thank them Smiley )
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« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2010, 04:11:51 am »

I can't find a PDF I printed out (and then lost the e-copy of when my computer died at the beginning of January). It has a Lexicon I wish I had in a form other than print.

I don't know what the file is called but it has a ToC and deals with Phonology & Orthography, Vowels, Consonants, Grammar, and looks to be professionally produced. 32 pages (my print version) and colored. It also has cool formatted page numbers at the bottom of the page.

Please help me locate this file, and its proper name and author (so I can thank them Smiley )


That would happen to be the Learn Na'vi Pocket Guide, if I am not mistaken. You can get it here: http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Learn-Navi-Pocket-Guide.pdf

It doesn't so much have an author as a compiler. You have to thank Karyu Amawey for that Tongue

Hope that was the right document Smiley

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