Kämeronìl Tarmok Na'rìngit Amazonä

Started by Prrton, April 12, 2010, 01:36:12 PM

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Prrton

TsyeymzìKämeronìl tarmok na'rìngit Amazonä ulte poltxe san oe tasyätxaw nìmun eylanhu sìk. Pol pole'un futa wasyem mipa ekxanwä lekilvan a fkewa eyktan Prrsilä new txivula mì na'rìng. Fìekxanìl skaya'a tsawla kllpxìltut a tsranten nìtxan pxaya suteru ayolo'ä a kelku si mì sasenge a sim Kilvan Syingu.  

Lu fmawn fa pamrel ayrelarikxsì nìteng.



*ayrelarikx



'Upx.äo: Rutxe, 'awpol a omum futa fìfmawn zene livu, tsatsengene fì'ut 'ivärìp.  ;)

Toruk Makto

#1
Srane! Tewti nìwotx!

Eyktan Kämeronìl sngeykä'i ne serar nawma tìkangkemit aylaheru srung kerin livu.

(Prrton, please feel free to correct my atrocious Na'vi! ;) )


EDIT:
This has prompted me to create a whole new forum board related to this subject. Irayo ma Prrton!

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Prrton

#2
Quote from: Txepsiyu on April 12, 2010, 01:49:22 PM
Srane! Tewti nìwotx!

Eyktan Kämeronìl sngeykä'i ne serar nawma tìkangkemit aylaheru srung kerin livu.



(Prrton, please feel free to correct my atrocious Na'vi! ;) )

Ma Txepsiyu, ngeyä lì'fyari ke lu tìkawng kaw'it slä oel fpìl futa kop tsun pivlltxe fìfya fte tsun tslivam nìftue:

 Eyktan Kämeronìl set serar nawma tìkangkemit feyä fte srung sivi aylaheru (a foru leru tìkin apxa).

Fìtxeleri Nawma Sa'nok lrrtok siveiyi (ta Eywa'eveng) ulte fya'ot a tsun srung sivi AYOE nìteng wivìntxu AYOEru!  ;D

Trr lefpom, ma oeyä 'eylan!

Toruk Makto

#3
Irayo seiyi, ma oeyä 'eylan asìltsan.

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Ftiafpi

Well, I'm a little busy at work to write this in Na'vi but I just wanted to say that this whole story brought a very unexpected tear to my eye. Very weird, I was just reading it quite un-emotionally and then all of a sudden a wave of emotion just hit me. Damn this guy is good. Before Avatar I could have cared less about James Cameron but, wow does this guy amaze me. I guess when he sets out to do something he doesn't do it half-assed.

Anyway, great article. I really hope he succeeds and I wish the best of luck to the people of the Xingu river and wish there was more I could do than that.

Faysuteri nawma sa'nok lrrtok siveiyi.

Toruk Makto

#5
EDIT:
Cameron doesn't like to fail.  I predict something good will come of his new obsession goal.

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Kayrìlien

Quote from: Txepsiyu on April 12, 2010, 03:09:19 PM
Cameron doesn't like to fail.  I predict something good will come of his new obsession.

I've read about the Belo Monte Dam in a class about sustainable construction, and let's just say that it is a perfect example of what not to do. The environmental costs associated with the project are far larger than any arbitrarily large monetary value reported by any government, and the indigenous population are only the last to get screwed by poor mismanagement of one of Earth's only real remaining wildernesses.

I can understand the motivation of the Brazilian government as to why they consider the project valid; they (and countries such as China) are trying to lift the standards of living of their people to a "Western" level that people in North America and Western Europe have been enjoying for decades now, mostly at the expense of our own natural resources. I guarantee you the majority of Brazilians look at the dam much as people in America in the 1930's would have viewed Hoover Dam, as a symbol of progress. The shame is that, I would hope that they would be able to learn from our mistakes rather than simply taking the easy way out of a problem.

Hmmm...too many politically contentious arguments come into play here to jump in head-first, so I'll just stop there. I do wholeheartedly approve of someone like JC championing the rights of the indigenous Americans; they are a people who have been kept silent for far too long.

Thanks for posting the link, ma Prrton!

Kayrìlien

Toruk Makto

#7
 Even though it hasn't been specifically mentioned yet, I want to head off the argument that "as long as the 'western world' is perceived to be the 'haves' and others are 'have nots', the rest of the world will want to be like them". And, "isn't it hypocritical for you people surfing the net while sitting in your easy chair sipping mojitos to suggest to someone in an aboriginal tribe should try to preserve their simpler culture when it would be less difficult to embrace western technology?"...

I counter that argument with the fact that these remote tribes on the Xingu river in Brazil are fighting to keep their way of life against the encroaching "progress". Some are even ready to die to protect their land and way of life. QED from James Cameron.

I see this as a clear call to support them. Period.

  - Markì

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Zefanaya

I completely agree, I fell as Cameron does. All my support go's to the people. Perhaps we should start a petition some how get our government or local agencies to help the people of the last true world. No one has the right to forcibly take your land, what the Brazilian government is doing is sentencing the native people to death, it is nothing short of attempted and soon to be murder, that is if we, ALL the people in this community and other communities reach out and do our best to help these people. I will be praying for them, someone who is versend in the politics of something like this should take me up on the petition idea. We are a large group, together our voice may just be heard by currently "hearing impaired" governments and people of the world, people who take and giving nothing in return. We are large, and we must do all that we can to help, this forum how ever small someone might see it comprised of many people who have fallen in love with the story of Avatar, most of which agree that we (RDA) had no right to do what they did to the Na'vi, I think many would jump at the chance to keep another tragic event like that from happening here. So please tell your friends of this story, have them tell their friends, perhaps we can save a people, perhaps we bring some light to the eye's of a world that would choose to remain unseeing in the dark. We have a chance to change the world, let us not waste it. Act on it now!

Eywa ngahu ulte niwotx tirey.

~Tirey Hawnuyu
AM 2012 - Uniting the Clans Planning Team
Zephaniah Washington - [email protected]

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Kayrìlien

Here's another story about the same topic, found today on Yahoo! News around 7:30 AM (California time)

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-james-cameron-king-of-brazil.html

Kayrìlien

Kayrìlien

#10
Here's another news story, with some updated information:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100415/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_brazil_amazon_dam

The main event of the story:

Quote"A federal judge in Para state on Wednesday delayed the April 20 auction for construction of what would be the world's third-largest hydroelectric project. He said more time was needed to examine claims from Brazil's attorney general that there are not sufficient environmental protections in place at the site."
Also from the article, for all the TL;DR people out there:

QuoteCameron said he rejects the argument made by some backers of the project that the 40,000 people expected to be displaced by the dam was nothing compared to the millions displaced by similar projects in China.

"We expect a little bit more from Brazil, it being a democracy," Cameron said.
Thoughts? (Hopefully more intelligent ones that the total idiots commenting on Yahoo...)

Kayrìlien

Toruk Makto

I kind of like Cameron's comment, although it may be counter-productive to antagonize the Brazilian government that way. The Latin mindset doesn't respond well to criticism voiced in that manner.

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Kayrìlien

Another version of the story, basically the one I just posted with some addenda.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100415/ap_on_en_mo/lt_brazil_amazon_dam

Notable lines for the TL;DR crowd:

Quote"No one worries more about taking care of the Amazon and our Indians than we do," [Brazilian President] Silva said in a speech in Sao Paulo. Without mentioning Cameron by name, Silva said people from developed nations should not lecture Brazil on the environment because those countries mowed down their own forests long ago. "We don't need those who already destroyed (what they had) to come here and tell us what to do," he said. Responding to the criticism, Cameron said he is saying to those affected by the dam: "I am from your future to tell you what you are going to be like and you are not going to like it."

QuoteEnvironmentalists and indigenous groups say Belo Monte would devastate wildlife and the livelihoods of 40,000 people who live in the area to be flooded. They also argue that the energy generated by the dam will largely go to big mining operations, instead of benefiting most Brazilians. Luiz Carlos Tremonte, head of a logging industry group in the state where the dam is planned, said Cameron should have stayed out of the fray. "To speak about the Amazon, an individual must have come down at least once with malaria, be bitten by a snake. He has to know the region," Tremonte said. "Cameron only flies first-class, stays in five-star hotels and never did anything for the Amazon."

Sigh...the "you guys destroyed your environment, so why can't we do it" argument again. Perhaps because we (Europe, U.S., etc.) were total idiots when we were doing it the first time around. Now that you (BRIC countries) have the knowledge that our forbears lacked, maybe you can show us up. This is not a time when imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, rather, it is the sincerest form of stupidity.

Kayrìlien

Kayrìlien

Just keeping everyone posted...it looks like money has won the day yet again. This is SAD! VERY SAD ONLY!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100420/ap_on_bi_ge/lt_brazil_amazon_dam

Kayrìlien

Zefanaya

That's strange and sad I read though that James one check out my blog for what I heard http://avgrs.wordpress.com

I will have to do some updating if I am wrong on my blog, which I don't want to do at 9:30 pm.

Eywa ngahu.
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Zefanaya

I contacted Frommer about this, maybe he can let James know he has supporters that are willing to help (at least on my blog people are willing to help and I have a feeling people would love to help here as well), if we were to form some kind of colaboration with Amazon Watch (look them up http://www.amazonwatch.org no I do not work for them work with them though) we might be able to form some kind of support or out reach group to help these people, no matter what then out come is we will know that we at leased tried to help right? Please tell me I'm not the only one who radically cares about this thing... .radically is the wring word, wants to change this, to help these people.

Eywa ngahu. 
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Zephaniah Washington - [email protected]

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Toruk Makto

You are not the only one. And this is far from over.

It had to pass through this step to define the opposition. It is easier to fight companies than governments.

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Zefanaya

True, and fight we all shale. I just hope something involving guns vs spears does not go down.

Eywa ngahu.
AM 2012 - Uniting the Clans Planning Team
Zephaniah Washington - [email protected]

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Kayrìlien


Toruk Makto

  Hell yeah! This is moving beyond the level of bows and arrows against gunships. A lot of people are really pissed. And more importantly, they are DOING something about it. I myself have already written to the Brazilian embassy. I urge all LN members to write to their local Brazilian embassy to protest the Belo Monte Dam project and support the people of the Xingu River.

 In the US, you can contact their embassy in Washington DC at:

Brazilian Embassy
3006 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC
20008-3634

Phone: (202) 238-2805
Fax: (202) 238-2827

Don't just sit and watch. Get off your txìm and help make a difference to the indigenous people of the Xingu and Amazon basin.

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