all adpositions

roger · March 12, 2010, 05:37:19 AM

Don't know. Have asked.

If ka is locative rather than lative, maybe it can be compounded for "on the other bank/shore/side".

omängum fra'uti · March 12, 2010, 05:37:39 AM

Kä yey kxamlä perhaps? (Go straight through the middle)

Not sure on ka, I've been trying to figure that one out as well. But more head scratching to me is how "Across truth" becomes "Valid".

tsrräfkxätu · March 12, 2010, 05:45:30 AM

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on March 12, 2010, 05:37:39 AM
Not sure on ka, I've been trying to figure that one out as well. But more head scratching to me is how "Across truth" becomes "Valid".

You reach a valid conclusion by going across truth, maybe?

Kì'eyawn · March 13, 2010, 04:48:34 PM

Quote from: tsrräfkxätu on March 12, 2010, 05:45:30 AM
Quote from: omängum fra'uti on March 12, 2010, 05:37:39 AM
Not sure on ka, I've been trying to figure that one out as well. But more head scratching to me is how "Across truth" becomes "Valid".

You reach a valid conclusion by going across truth, maybe?

I thought kangay came from kan (v., aim) + ngay (adj., true).

Na'rìghawnu · March 15, 2010, 07:30:58 AM

Sorry for being a skxawng, but could someone please explain "fkip" to me. I don't understand "up among" ... and have problems to find it in my dictionaries.

Google also deliveres just sentences like "Drug use up among new jail inmates". But this is more "something went up" and it does it "among certain people". I don't think, that "fkip" can be used this way. Could someone please so kind, to explain "up among" to a non-English speaker?

wm.annis · March 15, 2010, 07:34:07 AM

Quote from: Na'rìghawnu on March 15, 2010, 07:30:58 AMI don't understand "up among" ... and have problems to find it in my dictionaries.

They fly up among the clounds.

They run up among the branches. (Way up among the branches of Hometree).

Na'rìghawnu · March 15, 2010, 07:37:59 AM

Hm. So it's an upward movement performed among objects (like branches/clouds/...)?

wm.annis · March 15, 2010, 07:47:06 AM

Quote from: Na'rìghawnu on March 15, 2010, 07:37:59 AMHm. So it's an upward movement performed among objects (like branches/clouds/...)?

Upward location among some objects, I think, but we might want to get confirmation on that.

Na'rìghawnu · March 15, 2010, 07:53:53 AM

QuoteUpward location among some objects,

Ah, I see.

Upward location among objects would be "oben in den Wolken/Zweigen" = "up in the clouds/branches" in German;
upward movement among objects would be "nach oben in die Wolken/Zweige" = "up into the clouds/branches"

So in combination with "among" both are quite *exotic* concepts to me.

roger · March 15, 2010, 04:10:52 PM

I expect that "up into" would be ??nefkip.

tsrräfkxätu · March 23, 2010, 06:29:58 AM

Quote from: roger on March 15, 2010, 04:10:52 PM
I expect that "up into" would be ??nefkip.

Do we know if that lative exists, or is it maybe entailed in fkip (i.e. so that it can be both locative and lative but not ablative?) What about the "basic" locative adps., can/should we combine them with ab/lative ones or can they already express movement to and from (as in English?)