kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes

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Plumps

Ma frapo,

a few minor confirmations.
I asked Dr Frommer about his blessing for kawtseng 'nowhere' (with the expected double negation) and tsapo 'that one' (with the expected case endings). His reply:


Quote from: K. Pawl, 13 MayKawtseng and tsapo are fine. Go ahead and announce them, and I'll try to include them in some of my example sentences as well.
and regarding stress:

Quote from: K. Pawl, 18 MayIt's KAW.tseng and TSA.po.

Also, Inspirata's question about how prefixes behave that 'collide' with the same vowel got me intrigued and I asked about that.

Quote from: K. Pawl, 18 MayAs for your other question, the general rule is that when two identical vowels come together, they coalesce into one. So in your examples, the words become fìlva, tsatan, and fnekxan respectively. Of course if the noun begins with a glottal stop, this doesn't happen. For example, 'this spiral' is fì'ìheyu.


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Noted. Txantsan, fí'uri seiyi irayo ma Plumps :)

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Txantsan :D Now all that's left AFAIK to question Frommer on teri phonetics is the intonation of Na'vi...

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I knew you'd like that ;D

Quote from: Inspirata on May 18, 2011, 02:24:19 AM
Now all that's left AFAIK to question Frommer on teri phonetics is the intonation of Na'vi...

I'll let you handle that one ;) :P

Sireayä mokri

Irayo ma Plumps, prefixes*ìri nìpxi :)
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

wm.annis

Quote from: K. Pawl, 13 MayKawtseng and tsapo are fine. Go ahead and announce them, and I'll try to include them in some of my example sentences as well.

That will be useful.  The semantics of the whole -po class, especially animacy, is a bit funky.

Kamean

Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


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Quote from: wm.annis on May 18, 2011, 09:03:23 AM
Quote from: K. Pawl, 13 MayKawtseng and tsapo are fine. Go ahead and announce them, and I'll try to include them in some of my example sentences as well.

That will be useful.  The semantics of the whole -po class, especially animacy, is a bit funky.

Mllte, and what's more interesting is that there's no fìtu, kawpo, or fratu....

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Kemaweyan

I think these are incorrect forms.
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Kamean

Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


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Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Inspirata on May 19, 2011, 11:06:18 PM
...even kawpo?

Not one (s)he doesn't make a lot of sense to me...
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Blue Elf

To understand well: tsapo replaces tsatu, or we can use both of them from now?
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Ikran Ahiyìk

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 21, 2011, 02:47:30 PM
To understand well: tsapo replaces tsatu, or we can use both of them from now?
Both. No replacement involved.

Tsatu is for person definitely because of the tute inside.
Tsapo can be also for plants, animals .. read more here.
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Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 20, 2011, 08:12:05 AM
Quote from: Inspirata on May 19, 2011, 11:06:18 PM
...even kawpo?

Not one (s)he doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

To me it only seems to make as much sense as this s/he or that s/he or every s/he.... although sooner or later, without that word, I may just see it as a quirk in the language.

Kop, if not fìtu and fratu, then the long forms fìtute and fratute should be used instead, as they are generally considered to sound more correct, kefyak?

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Is tsatu canonical? If so, where/when is it from?


wm.annis

Quote from: Prrton on May 23, 2011, 05:51:27 PMIs tsatu canonical? If so, where/when is it from?

ASG, glossed as "that person."

Prrton

Quote from: wm.annis on May 23, 2011, 06:17:56 PM
Quote from: Prrton on May 23, 2011, 05:51:27 PMIs tsatu canonical? If so, where/when is it from?

ASG, glossed as "that person."

Thank you.

In that case, verar oer livu am'ao.