Some Glossed-over Words

Started by Taronyu, July 03, 2010, 01:50:04 PM

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Taronyu

So, I was checking my dictionary today against a massive sheet that Frommer gave us ages ago, and found some words that weren't in there, for various reasons. Some might have been held back - let me know if so, and I'll remove them. We might know these anyway, but since I think some people only go off of my dictionary, here they are anyway. Here is what I added:

fratxon - adv. every night
hìkrr - n. second, very short time
kefya srak - phrase. isn't that so? Right? no?
mawkrr - adv. after, afterwards
ngeyn - adj. tired
ngopyu - n. creator
nìk'ong - adv. slowly
pamtseotu - n. musician
sat - pn. that (after ftu only)
tsal - pn. that, it (transitive subject)
tsat - pn. that, it (object)
tsaw - pn. that, it (intranstive subject)
tsawlhì' - n. size
lehrrap - adj. dangerous
keyawr - adj. incorrect

And I changed the stress for keyawr, lefpomtokx, Otranyu, tsa-hey

And two new words from a recent post by Omängi fra'uti:

lì'fyavi - n. expression, bit of language
nafì'u - adj. such

Interesting, no?

Prrton

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Quote from: Taronyu on July 03, 2010, 01:50:04 PM

sat - pn. that (after ftu only)


I may be mistaken, but I think that «sat» is irregularly lenited after «ftu(-)», but would undergo lenition normally after:

  mì(+)
  ro(+)
  sre(+)
  wä(+)


  etc...

Taronyu

Ma prrton, nga eyawr lu. Good spot. Make more sense.

Swoka Swizaw

A "massive sheet" meaning? I sense conspiracy. ::)

Prrton

Quote from: Swoka Swizaw on July 03, 2010, 02:21:33 PM
A "massive sheet" meaning? I sense conspiracy. ::)

Let's just say that some (ehem) "vocabulary" fell off the back of a truck.  8)

It is now all completely "accounted" for.

Muzer

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Taronyu

Quote from: Muzer on July 03, 2010, 02:25:46 PM
Lol, um, what?

Maybe that was bad wording on my part.

Anyway, yeah. These are new words. Pretty awesome. I am looking forward to using ngeyn tonight.

Prrton

Quote from: Muzer on July 03, 2010, 02:25:46 PM
Lol, um, what?

For a little while, there was a chunk of lexical items that were gradually released by various folks. The novelty has long since been exhausted.

And, BTW, «ngeyn» is not particularly new. It's been public for at least a couple of months.

okrìsti

Roger said he used it ,,accidentally" therefore I though it was not to be public yet.
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Taronyu

Quote from: okrìsti on July 03, 2010, 02:47:32 PM
Roger said he used it ,,accidentally" therefore I though it was not to be public yet.

Same.

wm.annis

Oy.  A few of these were missing from the wiki vocabulary, too.

omängum fra'uti

Quote from: Prrton on July 03, 2010, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: Taronyu on July 03, 2010, 01:50:04 PM

sat - pn. that (after ftu only)


I may be mistaken, but I think that «sat» is irregularly lenited after «ftu(-)», but would undergo lenition normally after:

  mì(+)
  ro(+)
  sre(+)
  wä(+)


  etc...
It's more than just irregular lenition, if that were it, it would be "saw" or "sa'u", not "sat".  Where does the -t come from when it's used with an adposition?
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Prrton

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on July 03, 2010, 04:50:13 PM
Quote from: Prrton on July 03, 2010, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: Taronyu on July 03, 2010, 01:50:04 PM

sat - pn. that (after ftu only)


I may be mistaken, but I think that «sat» is irregularly lenited after «ftu(-)», but would undergo lenition normally after:

  mì(+)
  ro(+)
  sre(+)
  wä(+)


  etc...
It's more than just irregular lenition, if that were it, it would be "saw" or "sa'u", not "sat".  Where does the -t come from when it's used with an adposition?

It's a good question. I didn't think about it deeply. It could also be something that really isn't "still relevant." (Some note left over from some dialogue malfunction that has not appeared on the screen (so far)...)

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Does «ftu sat» appear in canon anywhere?

Kemaweyan

I agree with Omängum fra'uti. "Sat" and other words with -ti can be only an object, but with adpositions (ftu or others) they never are objects of actions.

Oe kolä ftu tsaw - only thus, I think ;)

(Perhaps here must be "tsatseng" instead of "tsaw", however for this example it is not important)

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on July 03, 2010, 04:50:13 PM
it would be "saw" or "sa'u"

But I think here can't be "saw". This word means "sky" in plural (or with leniting adp.) and seems to me that we must use "sa'u" only :) Or perhaps it is the another example of ambiguity, if we can use "saw" as lenited "tsaw" :D
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omängum fra'uti

Right, I agree saw wouldn't be correct.  But "sat" is listed as "that after ftu" from Frommer, so there's SOMETHING there that's irregular.  Given that it was in the ASG, it seems like it came out a bit early to just be a dialog slip-up canonized.
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Quote from: omängum fra'uti on July 03, 2010, 07:22:18 PM
But "sat" is listed as "that after ftu" from Frommer, so there's SOMETHING there that's irregular.

Then I can't understand it :( Oe tolätxaw ftu sat a satsenge oe trakrr namew tivok. I can't see the meaning here... Why "-t"?
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On a standard dvorak keyboard t and w are diagonally next to each other so it could be a typo, maybe we should get it confirmed?
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Kemaweyan

And to me too it seems mistake...
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Prrton

Quote from: kemeoauniaea on July 04, 2010, 02:40:23 AM
On a standard dvorak keyboard t and w are diagonally next to each other so it could be a typo, maybe we should get it confirmed?

   pawl at naviteri dot org    ;)

Kemaweyan

Ngaytxoa, ke tsun oe rivun melì'ut a san ftu sat sìk tsatsenge.
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