Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?

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Prrton


Just a dribble, but...

Quote from: Paul FrommerTewti, ma Prrton! Txantsana tìkangkem, txantsana aysäfpìl.

[As you can guess, säfpìl = idea, thought -- sä.FPÌL]

Lu awngar aytele apxay a teri sa'u pivlltxe...

« Teri » does not cause lenition. "Sa'u" is a short plural (short for aysa'u, of course): Literally: We have many matters that (we) may speak about THEM (or: THOSE THINGS)--i.e., we have a lot to talk about.

For the equivalent of "isn't that true?" "¿verdad?" "n'est-ce pas?" etc. let's go with "kefya [ke.FYA] srak?" or, as an equivalent shorter form, "kefyak?" (Derived, as we discussed, from "ke fìfya srak?")


  - säfpìl = idea

  - ..., kefya srak? or just ..., kefyak? = ..., isn't it? ..., right?

  - sa'u (short plural) = those things

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Quote from: Paul Frommer"Sa'u" is a short plural (short for aysa'u, of course): Literally: We have many matters that (we) may speak about THEM (or: THOSE THINGS)--i.e., we have a lot to talk about.

So there are now no less than three ways to render "those"?

tsahem
tsayhem
(ay)sakem

// Lance R. Casey

roger

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Are all three attested on the same root? I wonder if the difference is that ca- is considered a prefix on -kem, but not in the case of ca'u. Might correspond w stress: in cakem, it is kem that is stressed and takes the plural; in ca'u, it is ca- that is stressed and takes the plural.

Lance R. Casey

Quote from: roger on March 02, 2010, 03:24:56 AM
Are all three attested on the same root? I wonder if the difference is that ca- is considered a prefix on -kem, but not in the case of ca'u. Might correspond w stress: in cakem, it is kem that is stressed and takes the plural; in ca'u, it is ca- that is stressed and takes the plural.

No, they're not. Where has the stress for tsa'u been given? At least in fì'u, Frommer stresses the ultima.

// Lance R. Casey

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Txantsana fmawn !
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roger

Quote from: Lance R. Casey on March 02, 2010, 03:37:49 AM
Quote from: roger on March 02, 2010, 03:24:56 AM
Are all three attested on the same root? I wonder if the difference is that ca- is considered a prefix on -kem, but not in the case of ca'u. Might correspond w stress: in cakem, it is kem that is stressed and takes the plural; in ca'u, it is ca- that is stressed and takes the plural.
No, they're not. Where has the stress for tsa'u been given? At least in , Frommer stresses the ultima.

I'm just speculating.

Where do we have the stress of fì'u attested, other than it contracting to fu-?

Lance R. Casey


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