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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2012, 10:54:14 am » |
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Wiya. Fixed.
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2012, 11:54:01 am » |
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More nits: ketsuk is lacking a hyphen and nì- is in the wrong section.
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 12:49:25 pm » |
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More nits: ketsuk is lacking a hyphen Fixed. and nì- is in the wrong section.
Where should it go?
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2012, 01:11:01 pm » |
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and nì- is in the wrong section.
Where should it go? Prefixes.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2012, 01:16:00 pm » |
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and nì- is in the wrong section.
Where should it go? Prefixes. Oh derp! Fixed. 
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2012, 04:43:46 pm » |
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On your definition of the participle infix <awn>, you have 'form' spelled 'forw'.
Otherwise, Txantsan for a nice, concise explanation that I will adapt and use for teaching. There were even a new suffix there I was not aware of: -fteyk.
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2012, 06:07:01 pm » |
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On your definition of the participle infix <awn>, you have 'form' spelled 'forw'.
Otherwise, Txantsan for a nice, concise explanation that I will adapt and use for teaching. There were even a new suffix there I was not aware of: -fteyk.
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'ä'! fixed. also, it's -fkeyk not *-fteyk. remember ya-fkeyk, "state of the air"==weather Karmari irayo 
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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2012, 09:48:03 pm » |
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fìme+, fìpxe+, tsame+, and tsapxe+, although consisting of 2 prefixes, technically aren't confirmed. One day they may be fme+, fpxe+, tsme+ and tspxe+.
-it can't be used after plain vowels. This should be noted. -ru doesn't go after consonants (canon example where it does?). -y only occurs for pronouns. Also note that -ri comes after vowels, and -ìri comes after consonants.
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2012, 11:16:12 pm » |
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fìme+, fìpxe+, tsame+, and tsapxe+, although consisting of 2 prefixes, technically aren't confirmed. One day they may be fme+, fpxe+, tsme+ and tspxe+. And these prefix combos shouldn't be listed at all, because their components are already listed. Section 3.3 of Wm Annis's reference grammar shows that these prefixes can be stacked like this is various configurations to mean various things. Sorry about misspelling -fkeyk!
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2012, 01:29:14 am » |
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fìme+, fìpxe+, tsame+, and tsapxe+, although consisting of 2 prefixes, technically aren't confirmed. One day they may be fme+, fpxe+, tsme+ and tspxe+.
-it can't be used after plain vowels. This should be noted. -ru doesn't go after consonants (canon example where it does?). -y only occurs for pronouns. Also note that -ri comes after vowels, and -ìri comes after consonants.
And so it becomes more complicated. I'll allow some discussion time before I add these.
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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2012, 02:22:05 am » |
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fìme+, fìpxe+, tsame+, and tsapxe+, although consisting of 2 prefixes, technically aren't confirmed. One day they may be fme+, fpxe+, tsme+ and tspxe+.
-it can't be used after plain vowels. This should be noted. -ru doesn't go after consonants (canon example where it does?). -y only occurs for pronouns. Also note that -ri comes after vowels, and -ìri comes after consonants.
And so it becomes more complicated. I'll allow some discussion time before I add these. See horen leNa'vi, 3.1.1. All notes about noun case endings are correct. About -y for pronouns is 7.3.3.2 and 3.2.2.6 So only thing requiring discussion is fìme+, fìpxe+, tsame+, and tsapxe+. I haven't found them in any official document (if my search was correct), but according 3.3.7 they should be correct and usable. You can list them with with some question mark or in parenthesis.
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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2012, 09:37:24 am » |
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-am, -ay: how productive are these?
Wasnt sure of productivity of -am and -ay so left them out for now.
Na'viteri 2011-04-05: Just like trr itself, these words take fì-, -am, and -ay with the obvious meanings The phrasing "with the obvious meanings" strongly suggest that -ay and -am are productive on time nouns.
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2012, 02:18:26 pm » |
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So only thing requiring discussion is fìme+, fìpxe+, tsame+, and tsapxe+. I haven't found them in any official document (if my search was correct), but according 3.3.7 they should be correct and usable. You can list them with with some question mark or in parenthesis.
There is no question these are useable. In fact, according to 3.3.7, you could have an animal like pemefne-  But since these can be used like building blocks, and listing every single one of these 'prenoun combinations' would add numerous additions to the prefix list, I don't think they should be added. What might work better is to make a note in the dictionary showing how prenoun stacking works, a la 3.3.7.
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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2012, 02:19:28 pm » |
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I'll clean up OP.
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2012, 02:48:39 pm » |
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One more correction: case endings are used not only with nouns, but also with pronouns (oel, ngati etc.)
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