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Difference between ew/eu and aw/au
« on: April 15, 2011, 03:53:17 pm »
Kaltxì,
what is pronunciation difference between ew/eu and aw/au? I know nothing about IPA, so can you explain it very simply?
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Re: Difference between ew/eu and aw/au
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 03:59:43 pm »
I'm not a really good explainer, but I can tell you that "ew" is pronounced like "e-o" slid together.  This confused me for a while, but now I think I've got it.  "aw" is pronounced like the "ou" from pronounced.  Does this help any at all?
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Re: Difference between ew/eu and aw/au
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2011, 07:38:31 pm »
"Au" and "eu" are pronounced as two syllables, one for each vowel: ah-oo, eh-oo.  The forms ending in "w" are diphthongs - you glide from one vowel sound to the end in one syllable.
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Re: Difference between ew/eu and aw/au
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 02:34:58 pm »
So if I understand well, au/eu are two separated sounds, while aw/ew are single gliding sounds (as aw/ew is "single letter")?
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Re: Difference between ew/eu and aw/au
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 03:58:05 pm »
So if I understand well, au/eu are two separated sounds, while aw/ew are single gliding sounds (as aw/ew is "single letter")?

Exactly.
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Re: Difference between ew/eu and aw/au
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 03:23:15 pm »
One more question about this:
is aw _always_ diphthong? For example in wawe, or especially in fyawìntxu.
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Re: Difference between ew/eu and aw/au
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 03:44:10 pm »
No, it isn't.  (The same goes for ay/ey/ew as well, for example yayo is ya.yo not yay.o).  The general rule of thumb is that if the y or w is immediately followed by a vowel, it is syllabified as a consonant.  There are exceptions to the rule (Such as tsway.on) but they are rare.
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Re: Difference between ew/eu and aw/au
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2011, 03:47:08 pm »
That is what I would have guessed, but it is good to have this information confirmed.  Irayo for the good question and prompt answer.
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Re: Difference between ew/eu and aw/au
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2011, 11:15:27 pm »
Sran, generally the difference between au/eu/ai/ei and aw/ew/ay/ey is stress.  The former usually has the stress on u/i.  Also if a y or w occurs between two vowels, with very few exceptions as noted by Karyu Pawl, it is pronounced as a consonant, even after an a or e.



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