Pronouncing that tricky R - The Alveolar flap

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[Neytiria]

Hey guys, I made this video to see if I can help others with the /r/ and /rr/.

if ppl aprove it, I'll upload it to talknavi

Irayo!

just a p.s.: It's hard to make it, at least for me.. i had to give like 30 shots xD

Irayo. i can do the /r/ sound, similar to the Korean "r", but I can't roll my tounges. Any techniques to teach me how to do /rr/...?

[txum tukru]

irayo, i can now do it nearly perfectly!

[Beduino]

Kaltxì smúkan sì smuke. Oel ngati kameie.
Glad the vid could help you.

Hey guys, I made this video to see if I can help others with the /r/ and /rr/.

if ppl aprove it, I'll upload it to talknavi

Irayo!

just a p.s.: It's hard to make it, at least for me.. i had to give like 30 shots xD

Irayo. i can do the /r/ sound, similar to the Korean "r", but I can't roll my tounges. Any techniques to teach me how to do /rr/...?

Well, try to do the /r/ sound (your tongue will hit the top of your mouth once)
Than, try to keep the air coming out of your lungs (your tongue should hit the top of your mouth repeatedly).

Notice also that these sounds come from your vocal cords continually, its not only air coming out. The tongue is used just to produce the flap.

Hope it helped  

Eywa ngahu.

['Itan Eywayä]

Hey people,

unfortunetly i cannot think of a method how to learn the "rolling" [r] if you have been unused to it so far, or still are (i know that is a very very common problem for native english speakers), but Beduino presented it pretty much perfectly.
One thing i wanted to point out though, if it helps anybody, is this: German is the exact opposite of English when it comes to the pronunciation of [r] - as here, native german/austrian speakers have the same difficulty when it comes to pronouncing the typical english [r] (as in 'room', 'bar' etc.). So if you can get your hands on some german language samples, it might help at least a little bit.

[Tanhì'ite]

I'm finding the rolling 'rr' to be the most difficult. I tried this exercise that I found on wikiHow, and was able to get something close to the desired sound. Maybe with more practice?:

1) Say the word "butter," then say the word "ladder".

2) Feel the tongue on the inside of your mouth "flip up" during the second syllable, barely touching the gum above and behind the top row of teeth, almost touching the roof your mouth.

3) Now say each word faster, "Butter, butter, butter, ladder, ladder, ladder".

4) Continue saying the words faster and faster. If you prefer one of the words, you may use it exclusively. Eventually you'll produce a sound like: Bu""""" (the """ representing the trilling motion), or La"""". Then try the "RR" in Spanish (ER"""RE).
http://www.wikihow.com/Roll-Your-%22R%22s]

[url]http://www.wikihow.com/Roll-Your-%22R%22s[/url]

[Danecki]

Some of you could find help in this commercial :-)

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[Kìte'eyä Aungia]

My advice for those working on the trilled/rolled r is to just buckle down and put in some serious time working at it. I had to learn this in a very short time for one of my classes, so I set aside an hour or two each day to just sit and try out different things, eventually getting it right after three or four days (you could also work at it while walking or driving if you don't have that kind of free time and don't mind people on the street looking at you funny). It can be incredibly frustrating, but remember that anyone can do it, it doesn't require special muscles that you don't have. 

[Tskxäozì Ewaoe]

I've posted this in the other thread, but it should go here:


To pronounce the 'r' properly, the 'r' sound is rhow. It helps if you can speak japanese. Basically that 'r'sound is the sound between the r and l. 'ro' and 'lo', try mix them together into one and you'll get the 'r sound pretty well.

What it feels like in your mouth is the tip of your tongue is at the ceiling of your mouth and when you say the 'r', your tongue will move back down (try imagine lapping to other way, from top to bottom)

Nari sounds a bit like 'Narhli' (where the rhl is combined)

To do the 'rr', point the tip of your tongue to the ceiling of your mouth and then blow through with your throat and if done correctly your tongue should vibrate and create the trilled sound. But mostly this does require practise.

I can do the 'r' sound because of Japanese and for the 'rr' sound, well i've been doing that since I was like 4?

[Tanhì'ite]

I've posted this in the other thread, but it should go here:


To pronounce the 'r' properly, the 'r' sound is rhow. It helps if you can speak japanese. Basically that 'r'sound is the sound between the r and l. 'ro' and 'lo', try mix them together into one and you'll get the 'r sound pretty well.

What it feels like in your mouth is the tip of your tongue is at the ceiling of your mouth and when you say the 'r', your tongue will move back down (try imagine lapping to other way, from top to bottom)

Nari sounds a bit like 'Narhli' (where the rhl is combined)

To do the 'rr', point the tip of your tongue to the ceiling of your mouth and then blow through with your throat and if done correctly your tongue should vibrate and create the trilled sound. But mostly this does require practise.

I can do the 'r' sound because of Japanese and for the 'rr' sound, well i've been doing that since I was like 4?

Agreed. Having studied Japanese, the /r/ was easy to understand. The /rr/? Not so much. But, really, the only thing that really helps to get it is to practice. A lot.

[Sylwanin ean Tanhì]

Well.... I saw the vid and think its very helpful.. I was kind of confused at first but now the other example I can think of is this and is pretty simple:

When you watch a kid playing with a "hot wheel" car or an airplane/helicopter etc. you see that often they make the "brrrrrm" sound when they move it or "shoot" [prrrr] well if you do it once its the /r/ [prum!] and if you continue it [as shown before], it'll be the /rr/.

I could explain it this other way and find it easy to understand too:  You can use the tip of your tongue and try to touch the lines behind your teeth on the "sky" of your mouth [thats how we call it in PR]. Once you have the tip there just try to keep it as hard as you can and breathe out hard [like an exaggerated sigh] and there you have it! short for /r/ and longer for /rr/

Hope txo srung!

[Tskxäozì Ewaoe]

Yeah, the tongue should vibrate.

[Tirea Nìwotxkrr]

Some of you could find help in this commercial :-)

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[Roiki]

As i posted in on the other thread i might post it here as well.

Perkele!

The word you should listen is the finnish word "perkele", when said in a proper way, the speaker puts pressure on the middle "r" making a similiar sound as the na'vi "rr".

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Well.... I saw the vid and think its very helpful.. I was kind of confused at first but now the other example I can think of is this and is pretty simple:

When you watch a kid playing with a "hot wheel" car or an airplane/helicopter etc. you see that often they make the "brrrrrm" sound when they move it or "shoot" [prrrr] well if you do it once its the /r/ [prum!] and if you continue it [as shown before], it'll be the /rr/.

When I do a car Brrr it's a bilabial trill. I think it's best to tell people to do the second method.

[Sylwanin ean Tanhì]

OH WOW... NOW I SEE IT WAS A BAD EXAMPLE [THE BRRM] MOST PPL WILL THINK ITS WITH THE LIPS.... LOL ITS JUST THAT MY SON DOES IT WITH THE TONGUE... WELL, SCRATCH THAT PART!