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Offline Eywayä Irrtok

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Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« on: February 02, 2010, 02:31:51 am »
Oel layu ke ftang yerawn ngati fpi oeyä tìrey

Hey guys, I just want to know if that sentence is correct, and if there is any rearranging of words I can do?

umm yeah you guys can read for yourself ;)

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Tìng mikyun nìltsan, fì’u fya’o ne tslayam letok lu -- mune sì mune tsìng lu.

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Re: Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2010, 03:52:18 am »
I'm assuming that you tried for "I will not stop loving you for my life", in which case I propose something like this:

Ngaru oel tìyawnit 'erefu a fì'uri, oe ke ftayang vaykrr oe tolerkup
you(sg.)-DAT I-ERG love-ACC feel<IPFV> SBRD this.thing-TOP I-INTR not stop<FUT> until I-INTR die<PFV>
as for my feeling love for you, I will not stop until I have died
I won't stop loving you until I die

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Re: Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 03:27:23 pm »

tolerkup
die<PFV>


i think die also should be in future tense: "talyerkup"
or do you want to die now?  ;)

EDIT:
and "stop" should be imperfective in my opinion: "fterang" (actually i'm not sure about the infix position. could also be "fertang". help me here please ;) ) you everytime do not stop on the timeline... not to stop<FUT> just says that you wont stop in future, but it says nothing about present or immediate future ("i won't stop then... but i could stop now."). kinda tricky :D
i don't know if i'm understandable  :-\
« Last Edit: February 04, 2010, 03:41:30 pm by yakhashe »

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Re: Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 03:29:30 pm »

tolerkup
die<PFV>


i think die also should be in future tense: "talyerkup"
or do you want to die now?  ;)
Actually, either would probably work.  The perfective <ol> has nothing to do with when an action happens, so using it here doesn't mean that he's saying he's going to die now.

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Re: Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2010, 03:38:19 pm »

tolerkup
die<PFV>


i think die also should be in future tense: "talyerkup"
or do you want to die now?  ;)
Actually, either would probably work.  The perfective <ol> has nothing to do with when an action happens, so using it here doesn't mean that he's saying he's going to die now.

I agree, although most likely the future tense is not needed since it is obviously a future occurance in the context of the other words, i.e. the speaker is not dead. :)

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Re: Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2010, 03:50:05 pm »

tolerkup
die<PFV>


i think die also should be in future tense: "talyerkup"
or do you want to die now?  ;)
Actually, either would probably work.  The perfective <ol> has nothing to do with when an action happens, so using it here doesn't mean that he's saying he's going to die now.

i didn't want to say that it happens now because of the <ol>. aspects have no influence on tense, i agree with you. it is present because there is no tense-infix. no tense-infix means present. or am i wrong?

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Re: Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2010, 04:22:03 pm »

tolerkup
die<PFV>


i think die also should be in future tense: "talyerkup"
or do you want to die now?  ;)
Actually, either would probably work.  The perfective <ol> has nothing to do with when an action happens, so using it here doesn't mean that he's saying he's going to die now.

i didn't want to say that it happens now because of the <ol>. aspects have no influence on tense, i agree with you. it is present because there is no tense-infix. no tense-infix means present. or am i wrong?

Tense does not have to be explicitly stated every time, if it is obvious from context.  And my suspicion is that <ol> does not combine with the other tenses very often, if at all, since we have not seen it used in the canon yet and in Dr. Frommer's email explaining the "fused" infixes, they were left out. (this may just mean that he has not thought about it yet... idk)

Example:
Irayo 'eylanur awngeyä Prrton a kxeyeyti r<ol>un.

This happened in the past, but there is no past tense infix...

-Keyl
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Re: Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 04:29:40 pm »
Also, in this particular case, the temporal context is established by the preceding verb ftayang. ;)

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Re: Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2010, 10:10:51 pm »
I thought that yawn (as in love) was NOT a verb and could not be conjugated with infixes? Is that correct or has that been changed?
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Re: Is this sentence gramatically correct?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 10:25:47 pm »
I thought that yawn (as in love) was NOT a verb and could not be conjugated with infixes? Is that correct or has that been changed?

tì-yawn = love (noun),  yawne = beloved (adj).   It's still not a verb, it can be made into a noun though.

-Keyl
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