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Position of a + krr = when
« on: February 24, 2011, 11:05:31 am »
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oel foru fìaylì’ut tolìng a krr, kxawm oe harmahängaw
I-AGENT then-DAT THIS-PL-word give-IMPRF REL time, perhaps I-SUBJ sleep-PAST-IMPRF-NEG

I'm having trouble grokking the a krr construction.  I think this is related to my trouble with time words ( http://forum.learnnavi.org/intermediate/time-in-navi/ ).  To make KP's sentence as full as possible, he might've added a mì-, right?  To it in Engli'vi:
In the time which I gave them those words, I was (badly) asleep perhaps.

The reason I ask is because I'm working on this sentence:
fyape sun tuteo 'ivongokx krr a lu koak?
How can someone be born in a time which (he) is old?

I can't tell if I have the a on the correct side of krr.
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Re: Position of a + krr = when
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 11:13:31 am »
You do have it on the correct side. If you want to use a krr, put it after the second clause: fyape tsun tuteo 'ivongokx lu koak a krr?
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Re: Position of a + krr = when
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 11:30:37 am »
fyape tsun tuteo 'ivongokx lu koak a krr?
doesn't the pe+ lenite the tsun into sun?
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Re: Position of a + krr = when
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 11:34:41 am »
No, when you use it as suffix it doesn't lenite anything.
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Re: Position of a + krr = when
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 12:16:30 pm »
No, when you use it as suffix it doesn't lenite anything.

This is also true of the adpositions — when suffixed, they don't cause lenition.

Your order with krr a is correct.  The scheme is:

    When Swhen, Smain
    Swhen a krr, Smain     or
    Smain, krr a Swhen
'Awa lì'fya ke tam kawkrr.
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Re: Position of a + krr = when
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 01:01:22 pm »
Your order with krr a is correct.  The scheme is:

    When Swhen, Smain
    Swhen a krr, Smain     or
    Smain, krr a Swhen
Irayo.  On a related note, are there any aspect restrictions for the "when" clause?  I'm thinking of 6.7.4. Simultaneous Imperfective and 6.19.6. Tengkrr.
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