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Plumps:
Part of an answer is already in a comment by Paul on naviteri.org concerning the infix use in zeyko (< zo) and if you write him again, I would make him aware of that lest he should have forgotten about that.


--- Quote from: Paul, 17 July, 2010 ---Tsalsungay tsalì’u alu zeykuso lu eyawr. Slä zene fko pivlltxe san zäpeyko sìk. (*Zeykäpo lu keyawr.) Ulte kawkrr ke tsun fko pivlltxe san *zeykeyko!

[…]

The question of how the “pre-first position” infixes relate to each other and to the rest of the infix inventory is important, so I’ll save it for a future post.
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Tìtstewan:
NICE find! :D Noted!
I'll write this evening to him. :)

Tirea Aean:

--- Quote from: Tìtstewan on August 16, 2014, 04:08:28 am ---
--- Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 15, 2014, 10:41:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on August 15, 2014, 09:58:50 pm ---
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--- Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on August 15, 2014, 04:10:47 pm ---Tsawri, oe mllte ngahu
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Tsari, oe mllte ngahu.
^Kefyak?

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I clearly see what you are doing here, except tsari isn't a word.

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Except it is.

EDIT: IIRC, tsari is not in the dictionary for the same reason as tsa'uti is not in there.
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One SHOULD (tsar as well) add that word in the dictionary for the same reason as tsal, tsat and tsaw are there.

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Touché.

`Eylan Ayfalulukanä:

--- Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 15, 2014, 10:41:04 pm ---EDIT: IIRC, tsari is not in the dictionary for the same reason as tsa'uti is not in there.
DOUBLE EDIT: remember this? http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/history-of-tsaw/
TRIPLE EDIT: http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/genitive-case-refinement-declension-of-tsaw/

Ok no more edits ;D ::)

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Not to stray too far off topic..... ;)

tsaʼuti is not in the dictionary because it is a the patientive case of tsaʼu, a dictionary word. Normally, cased endings of a word do not appear in the dictionary unless there is some special significance to them. And neither are prefixed versions of words. But tsaʼu (tsa- + ʼu 'thing') is a special case because it is a word of special significance, and was used by K. Pawl. It is also a very old word.

OTOH, we do know (and I know now, because its been years since I read them) from these very old posts that words like tsat(i), tsar(u), tsati are legal words, even though they are combinations of a prefix and a case ending. That tsari is a combination of a prefix and a case ending is why I flagged this as not a word. These special cases really do need to be in the dictionary (and two of them already are-- tsal and tsat) because they break an otherwise fundamental rule, and are attested by K. Pawl.

Tìtstewan:
I love this multi-topic thread ;D ;D ;D

Ma Plumps, message with that reminding sent to Pawl. :)
Set, tìmweypey.

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