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Tirea Aean:

--- Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on August 16, 2014, 02:14:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 15, 2014, 10:41:04 pm ---EDIT: IIRC, tsari is not in the dictionary for the same reason as tsa'uti is not in there.
DOUBLE EDIT: remember this? http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/history-of-tsaw/
TRIPLE EDIT: http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/genitive-case-refinement-declension-of-tsaw/

Ok no more edits ;D ::)

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Not to stray too far off topic..... ;)

tsaʼuti is not in the dictionary because it is a the patientive case of tsaʼu, a dictionary word. Normally, cased endings of a word do not appear in the dictionary unless there is some special significance to them. And neither are prefixed versions of words. But tsaʼu (tsa- + ʼu 'thing') is a special case because it is a word of special significance, and was used by K. Pawl. It is also a very old word.

OTOH, we do know (and I know now, because its been years since I read them) from these very old posts that words like tsat(i), tsar(u), tsati are legal words, even though they are combinations of a prefix and a case ending. That tsari is a combination of a prefix and a case ending is why I flagged this as not a word. These special cases really do need to be in the dictionary (and two of them already are-- tsal and tsat) because they break an otherwise fundamental rule, and are attested by K. Pawl.

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I believe it's a case of a contraction, not of a prefix with a case ending. It just looks like a prefix with a case ending.

Tsa'u > tsaw
Tsa'uri > *tsawri > tsari

EDIT: I think tsari and all similar contractions should be in the dictionary like the others. Fwa, tsaw, and tsat are in there.

I'll split this thread into several topics if necessary


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