win säpi

Started by Eltu Lefngap Makto, February 07, 2011, 10:06:57 AM

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Eltu Lefngap Makto

I just found this verb in the dictionary.  I can't understand how this is an actual word and not just an idiom.  Can you say oe win säpäpi I hurried myself?
'Ivong, Na'vi!

Sireayä mokri

This is verb win si with reflective infix <äp> in it. It means that a person performs an action on him/herself. Use it to say I hurried myself, there's no need to inflect it anyhow else.
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Eltu Lefngap Makto

I get that, but it's in the dictionary as its own entry:

win säpi: [win sæ."pi] PF vin. hurry (c.w. from win fast and s«äp»i do (reflexive))

I was to say, "She hurried" then I have to write, "po win säpi", according to the dictionary.  But what if I want to say, "I hurried myself."  The dictionary would seem to indicate I need to infix this verb phrase.
'Ivong, Na'vi!

wm.annis

Quote from: Eltu Lefngap Makto on February 07, 2011, 11:27:10 AM
I get that, but it's in the dictionary as its own entry:

win säpi: [win sæ."pi] PF vin. hurry (c.w. from win fast and s«äp»i do (reflexive))

I was to say, "She hurried" then I have to write, "po win säpi", according to the dictionary.  But what if I want to say, "I hurried myself."  The dictionary would seem to indicate I need to infix this verb phrase.

There is no substantive difference in meaning between "I hurried" and "I hurried myself."  Oe win säpi is sufficient to indicate either sense.

Eltu Lefngap Makto

I can see that.  What I don't understand is how it gets its own entry.  Isn't it the same as "I rushed myself"?  Shouldn't this just be an idiom and not a separate dictionary entry?
'Ivong, Na'vi!

wm.annis

Quote from: Eltu Lefngap Makto on February 07, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
I can see that.  What I don't understand is how it gets its own entry.  Isn't it the same as "I rushed myself"?  Shouldn't this just be an idiom and not a separate dictionary entry?

Probably.  What I'd really love is a blog post from Frommer about some of these transitivity questions.