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"Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« on: December 29, 2009, 12:12:47 pm »
pay attention at this audio file.

I heard it at home and sounded the same in the cinema yesterday.

In the second part of the audio, doesn't it looks like Neytiri says "Mawey ya-tsmukan, mawey ya-tsmukan" or sorta?

I was wondering if it would not be the genitive sufix "yä" used as a prefix. Maybe because she is using the male gender sufix, the genitive worked as a prefix.  :-X

Any considerations?
« Last Edit: December 29, 2009, 12:15:14 pm by Beduino »
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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 12:21:44 pm »
I'm guessing "Maweya tsmukan."
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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 12:35:16 pm »
that could work hahahaha
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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2010, 09:48:50 am »
Kaltxi!

Thanks for posting this, because I had the same question! I am thinking that "Maweya tsmukan" which makes perfect because it would mean "calm my brother", right?

I am curious what Neytiri says to the other nantang that died, the one that she says more to. She starts with "Maweya tsmukan" and then goes on to say more. I'll need to listen to it more to see if I can pick out the sounds. I'll post in another thread though, don't want to hijack this one. :)

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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2010, 02:41:55 pm »
Mawey-yä tsmukan would mean calm's brother not calm my brother.

Calm my brother (assuming an implied you) would be tsmukanti ngal si mawey.
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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2010, 07:32:39 pm »
Well, as mentioned in another thread (can't remember which one right now but I'll try to find it) that could be the same thing. As pointed out in that thread by one of the poster's, in English you can say "good dogie" to a dog to calm it down when you are really saying "you are a good dog". Not the best example but the point is you can have meaning in a phrase thought matching that word for word.

I could be wrong. :) To me "calm my brother" seems to fit.

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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2010, 09:50:15 pm »
However it would not be with -yä, the genitive. If we are trying to say "Calm my brother" it would be:

Maweya tsmukan
Calm-ADJ sibling-MASC
Calm my brother ("my" could be implied or idiomatic)

Calm needed an adjective suffix, -a.
^^ this is following Rawveggie's idea for translation, which seems correct.
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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2010, 11:17:04 pm »
exactly, it's just saying "calm brother" in the same way you would say good boy


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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 05:46:00 am »
I can hear "Mawey matsmukan" but i`am not so good as you guys.

I would love to know what she sais after. I only know the last word - tireya
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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 11:55:33 am »
^^ It was probably "Mawey ma smukan", using the vocative form of adress.
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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 12:47:46 pm »
If it's not Mawey ma tsumkan, it might very well sound like maweya due to anatomical constraints. Consider that the [j] is a very high back sound, and when there is a break, it might happen that the tongue is dropped down before being brought up into the palato-alveolar position to form [ts]. This would cause an [a] sound, if it happened that the voicing is continued past the final [j]. Also, the mouth would be opened further, perhaps, to account for an exhale. If, at any point, the [j] is not fully realised, it would happen that an [a] might appear, essentially, due to the hydrostatic nature of the tongue.

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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 05:17:21 pm »
I concur.  It's 'mawey ma tsmukan', with the m- eclipsed by where the sounds are made.
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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2010, 03:24:27 am »
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Maybe it was&

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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2010, 10:15:17 am »
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I concur.  It's 'mawey ma tsmukan', with the m- eclipsed by where the sounds are made.

Doubtful since ma is only used in addressing a person, so that would translate to addressing oneself (weird). Also, by linition it wouldn't be aytsmukan it would be aysmukan or you could also drop the ay and just do smukan.

It could make sense as oe-ya ma smukan but that doesn't sound like what was in the movie.
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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2010, 04:18:09 pm »
I've seen it a few times and i`am sure now she is saying "Maweya tsmukan".

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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2010, 04:28:17 pm »
I've seen it a few times and i`am sure now she is saying "Maweya tsmukan".

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This makes sense for her to me using the -a affix to mark what the adjective is modifying.

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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2010, 04:46:31 pm »
Why the red? I've seen the film five times, legally. I don't know why it be assumed that it's pirated.

I think this may be a case towards the idea that verbs and adjectives are similar in Na'vi. I've suspected this for a while, based on the way some of the infixes work.

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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2010, 04:48:45 pm »
Why the red? I've seen the film five times, legally. I don't know why it be assumed that it's pirated.

I think this may be a case towards the idea that verbs and adjectives are similar in Na'vi. I've suspected this for a while, based on the way some of the infixes work.

I edited it out what he said and replaced it with the red stuff. Apparently I hid what he said too well...

I've also suspected that verbs and adjectives are similar or at least that some adjectives can be used as verbs (and vise versa).

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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2010, 01:58:12 pm »
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I was thinking about Ney'tiri's sentence. In my opinion she says; Maweya tsmukan. For me it means; I had to kill you, but after your death you already part of the silence, calmness. One of the most wonderful moment in the movie.

I love this movie, 'cause I love the nature. I'am a mountainer, I trekk alone in my country many times. Na'vi life also similar to that. They live with the nature in perfect symbiosis. It is an enviable life.

I would like to belive, it is not a sci-fi movie, it is a documentary film.  :)


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Re: "Mawey yätsmukan" ?
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2010, 02:16:27 pm »
Kaltxi for everyone

I was thinking about Ney'tiri's sentence. In my opinion she says; Maweya tsmukan. For me it means; I had to kill you, but after your death you already part of the silence, calmness. One of the most wonderful moment in the movie.

I would agree that this could also be a meaning. So many unknowns!... FROMMER! Little help please?

 

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