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Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« on: November 12, 2010, 11:39:05 am »
Kaltxì :)

I did three videos of me saying aloud some Na'vi quotes of the film. I just tried the way I remembered it in the film, with some intonation and emotions :D hehe
I realized after uploading them that I had done some mistakes though, but I didn't want to do everything over again, so I let it the way it was and simply noted the mistakes I'd noticed.  

Rutxe, could you tell me some comments, so that I can make improvements? :D Irayo.

[I wrote 'thxana' instead of 'txana']

[I know I said 'oe' instead of 'eo', and we can't really hear the m of 'kllkxem']

[I kinda said "tsawkrr' instead of 'tsakrr' xD]
« Last Edit: November 12, 2010, 11:44:26 am by Ftxavanga Txe′lan »

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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 12:05:36 pm »
Well the first a few comments on your spelling...  It's "txana" not "thxana" - there is no "th" in Na'vi, it's sawtute that are coming not tawtute, and alaksi not alaski.

But on the pronunciation itself, pardon me if I seem a bit harsh.  Overall you actually did fairly well, but I'm used to being very nitpicky on pronunciation (From judging learning material) and it's hard to turn that off.

Eo is just two sounds, e-o.  You're trying to throw a diphthong in there with ey-o.  It's easy to do when e is followed by a vowel.  Your glottal stops are very week and almost sound skipped (In both zera'u and ye'rin).  Also ye'rìn is stressed on the first syllable but it sounds like you did the second.

In the second, your kll sounds almost like you are trying to slip a vowel in there (kil), and again your glottal stop is somewhat week. (kìte'e)

In the third, you are pronouncing an ì in swirä rather than an i, and your ä sounds like it was a little bit too closed, rounded, and/or front and turned into e.  I don't really hear any trill in /rr/, and once again the glottal stop is a bit week in za'u.  You also pause between za'u, aungia and ta, which makes it sound like there's a glottal stop in there.  (Actually if you used that pause where glottal stops were supposed to be, it would be perfect.)  Your zene needs a little bit more push on the stressed syllable.  When you pronounced uniltìranyu, it sounds more like oniltìränyu, and finally once again the glottal stop on ziva'u is a bit weak.
Ftxey lu nga tokx ftxey lu nga tirea? Lu oe tìkeftxo.
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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2010, 12:26:05 pm »
But on the pronunciation itself, pardon me if I seem a bit harsh.  Overall you actually did fairly well, but I'm used to being very nitpicky on pronunciation (From judging learning material) and it's hard to turn that off.

That's no problem, in fact constructive comments is exactly what I'm looking for :)

Concerning the glottal stops, I can very easily understand that they are weak, because I've never really known how to make them. In fact is it simply a pause, like you say I did between za'u, aungia and ta?

ye'rìn is stressed on the first syllable but it sounds like you did the second.
Your zene needs a little bit more push on the stressed syllable.

Okay! How can I know that a syllable or the other has to be stressed?

Thank you very much for your comments. It's true that I'm remembered now that I still have muuuch to learn, but that was actually the point of the topic. I'm surely going to work on the things you pointed out :D

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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2010, 12:45:36 pm »
Right now the easiest way to see the stress is the wiki dictionary at http://wiki.learnnavi.org/index.php/Vocabulary, the purple syllable gets the stress.  In Taronyu's dictionary (As well as the LN vocabulary page and the mobile applications) you have to look at the IPA for where you see ˈ in there (Not to be confused with ʼ which indicates an ejective consonant).

For example looking at ye'rin, you can see the ˈ at the start of the IPA.
ye’rìn [ˈjɛʔ.ɾɪn]

For inflected verbs, the stress stays with the vowel of the stressed syllable in most cases.  So for example, za'u the /a/ carries the stress when you add an infix like ziva'u.
Ftxey lu nga tokx ftxey lu nga tirea? Lu oe tìkeftxo.
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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 02:27:01 pm »
Oh, I didn't know the wiki dictionnary, this is going to be of great help ˆˆ

Thank you for the explanation :)

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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2010, 03:08:40 pm »

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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2010, 07:45:56 am »
Thank you very much ma Skxawng alu 'Oma Tirea (:

Teri vowels, the e-sound in particular: it's {ɛ}, not {e}, and it is a common mistake, yet somewhat understandable since {e} is much more common amongst languages than {ɛ}.

I feel a bit ashamed of asking this, but what's actually a teri vowel? :O Do you mean ä in comparison to e?

...and speak of common mistakes, you handled the "ng" sound in initial position quite well :)

Ah, that's good to know :D Probably one of the few things I do correctly in the end! hehe

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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2010, 07:55:13 am »
Teri vowels, the e-sound in particular: it's {ɛ}, not {e}, and it is a common mistake, yet somewhat understandable since {e} is much more common amongst languages than {ɛ}.
I feel a bit ashamed of asking this, but what's actually a teri vowel? :O Do you mean ä in comparison to e?
Teri is actually a Na’vi word, meaning "about, concerning", so what Sxkxawng wrote means "Concerning vowels...".
Don't worry though, the practice of mixing Na’vi vocabulary into English sentences is confusing at best, so there's no need to feel ashamed :D
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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2010, 12:51:04 pm »
Teri is actually a Na’vi word, meaning "about, concerning", so what Sxkxawng wrote means "Concerning vowels...".
Don't worry though, the practice of mixing Na’vi vocabulary into English sentences is confusing at best, so there's no need to feel ashamed :D
Oh I see! :o I guess one gets used to it with practice ;D

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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2010, 06:09:45 pm »
What they all said but I also noticed that you said and wrote "alaski" and not "alaksi" for "ready".

In any case, really good job. Your accent is good and you're very understandable.

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Re: Giving a try to some Na'vi quotes of the film
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2010, 10:43:41 pm »
Teri vowels, the e-sound in particular: it's {ɛ}, not {e}, and it is a common mistake, yet somewhat understandable since {e} is much more common amongst languages than {ɛ}.
I feel a bit ashamed of asking this, but what's actually a teri vowel? :O Do you mean ä in comparison to e?
Teri is actually a Na’vi word, meaning "about, concerning", so what Sxkxawng wrote means "Concerning vowels...".
Don't worry though, the practice of mixing Na’vi vocabulary into English sentences is confusing at best, so there's no need to feel ashamed :D

Sran... oeyä habit ::)

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ÌTXTSTXRR!!

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