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Txur’Itan:

--- Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on January 05, 2011, 07:34:08 am ---(Sorry for the kind of necroposting, but I think I'd be nice to get that topic up, since no one has really answered it yet :))

Well, I'm not an expert, but according to what I know and what I've learnt from comments about my own pronunciation, here are the mistakes that I would see. Just be aware that my comments are maybe not all perfectly accurate (hopefully some knowing guys will correct or complete what I said). :)

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Everyone is learning, but it would be good for you to see the Omängum Fra'uti pronunciations, he is pretty nearly perfect, especially particular about distinctions between the sounds and accenting.


--- Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on January 05, 2011, 07:34:08 am ---· You have to roll the 'r'. I know it's not easy for everyone, but all Na'vi 'r's are this way, plus it's essential that you know the technique since it's going to allow you making a beautiful 'rr'.

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Unfortunately this well meaning advice is not entirely correct, r and rr are completely separate sounds, with r being a flapped r like the Japanese r, and rr being trilled like the Spanish trilled rr.


--- Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on January 05, 2011, 07:34:08 am ---· Maybe you should speak all syllables more clearly. :) For example in oel (in this case, it should sound like 'wel' I think) and ngati.

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O.el Each vowel sound is the nucleus of the syllable and should be the breaking point when you have multiple vowels without onsets and codas. oe is not a diphthong AFAIK, I believe we should think of it as a two syllable word O.E .

http://forum.learnnavi.org/pronunciation-phonetics/

Ftxavanga Txe′lan:
Thank you very much for the corrections and advices, ma Txur'Itan :)

Concerning the pronunciation of oel, I think I understand what you mean (despite not knowing the meaning of all the technical terms you've mentioned). Just so you know, I had noted 'wel' as a pronunciation hint because of the following passage in NiaN:


--- Quote ---When oe is by itself or at the end of a word (e.g. moe), each vowel is pronounced individually; when it has an ending (oeyä, oel, oeti, oeru) or occurs in the middle of a word the vowels are pronounced as "we" in wept, went or wed. [...] So oe has two syllables, oel has one syllable.
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It does approve what you've said about oe being made of two syllables, but what about oel? I'm curious. :)

Txur’Itan:

--- Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on January 05, 2011, 02:53:45 pm ---Thank you very much for the corrections and advices, ma Txur'Itan :)

Concerning the pronunciation of oel, I think I understand what you mean (despite not knowing the meaning of all the technical terms you've mentioned). Just so you know, I had noted 'wel' as a pronunciation hint because of the following passage in NiaN:


--- Quote ---When oe is by itself or at the end of a word (e.g. moe), each vowel is pronounced individually; when it has an ending (oeyä, oel, oeti, oeru) or occurs in the middle of a word the vowels are pronounced as "we" in wept, went or wed. [...] So oe has two syllables, oel has one syllable.
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It does approve what you've said about oe being made of two syllables, but what about oel? I'm curious. :)


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I am uncertain where this is coming from, the rules and corpus as they exist so far, I have not seen clear citations for that pronunciation example, but colloquially, it has occurred frequently on these forums.  That said, it is the best approximation of KP speaking I have seen given for English speakers to use wel as a guide.

Listen to Paul Frommer speaking Na'vi - http://masempul.org/upxare-niinglisi/

Paul Frommer verbally speaks the Word Oel so quickly that it can sound like a diphthong, but I think that is still separated. 

Ftxavanga Txe′lan:

--- Quote from: Txur’Itan on January 05, 2011, 04:29:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on January 05, 2011, 02:53:45 pm ---Thank you very much for the corrections and advices, ma Txur'Itan :)

Concerning the pronunciation of oel, I think I understand what you mean (despite not knowing the meaning of all the technical terms you've mentioned). Just so you know, I had noted 'wel' as a pronunciation hint because of the following passage in NiaN:


--- Quote ---When oe is by itself or at the end of a word (e.g. moe), each vowel is pronounced individually; when it has an ending (oeyä, oel, oeti, oeru) or occurs in the middle of a word the vowels are pronounced as "we" in wept, went or wed. [...] So oe has two syllables, oel has one syllable.
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It does approve what you've said about oe being made of two syllables, but what about oel? I'm curious. :)


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I am uncertain where this is coming from, the rules and corpus as they exist so far, I have not seen clear citations for that pronunciation example, but colloquially, it has occurred frequently on these forums.  That said, it is the best approximation of KP speaking I have seen given for English speakers to use wel as a guide.

Listen to Paul Frommer speaking Na'vi - http://masempul.org/upxare-niinglisi/

Paul Frommer verbally speaks the Word Oel so quickly that it can sound like a diphthong, but I think that is still separated. 

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Very interesting! Irayo nìtxan :D

'Oma Tirea:
For oel I say [o̯ɛl] instead of [wɛl], and [o.ɛl] is possible as well.  It's really something between [o.ɛl] and [o̯ɛl] for me.

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