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Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« on: January 18, 2010, 09:41:25 pm »
Pronuncation Guide #1





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Pronuncation Guide #3




I'll probably make more of these soon. Also, as always, please point out any mistakes in my guide (I'm sure there's plenty) and I will fix them.
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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 11:17:07 pm »
Cool!  Great content and presentation.

Added to the Pronunciation Guidance wiki page.

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 11:23:31 pm »
This is so helpful it almost feels like cheating! Thank you so much!

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 07:53:46 am »
damn... as i was getting pretty excited that I was finally getting somewhere with pronunciation, then seen this...ehhh, one hell of a long way before me :-X

anyway, awesome job. it's incredible how well it all sounds when you speak it, and it will be great help to anyone learning nìNa'Vi.

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 06:48:55 am »
Very funny!

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2010, 09:25:29 am »
Gah, just realized I mispronounced pivängko...so I'm putting this here to remind me to fix it.

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 11:51:55 am »
This is just awesome!
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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 01:45:58 pm »
Thanks alot for this guide, it's extremely useful.

I've been practicing some of the phrases, but i'm really struggling with the edjectives...

Here's one example

Kaltxì, tsun oe ngahu pivängkxo a fì'u oeru prrte’ lu.
Hello, able to I be-with ADV-Na'vi (chat?) that this thing I-DAT (pleasure?) be.
Hello, it is a pleasure to be able to chat with you.

Are there any tips you can offer to stressing the edjectives?

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 03:45:48 pm »
Thanks alot for this guide, it's extremely useful.

I've been practicing some of the phrases, but i'm really struggling with the edjectives...

Here's one example

Kaltxì, tsun oe ngahu pivängkxo a fì'u oeru prrte’ lu.
Hello, able to I be-with ADV-Na'vi (chat?) that this thing I-DAT (pleasure?) be.
Hello, it is a pleasure to be able to chat with you.

Are there any tips you can offer to stressing the edjectives?

Excellent, that's nearly perfect.

Edjectives are hard to teach but I'd refer you to this post http://forum.learnnavi.org/pronunciation-phonetics/ejectives/ and the following quote from w.m.annis:

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Ejective consonants are made by closing the glottis as for a glottal stop, then pushing out one of the consonants /p, t, k/ just using the air in your mouth, then releasing the glottis for the following vowel sound. Notice that this isn't just a consonant followed immediately by a glottal stop, rather, the consonant is articulated *at the same time* as the glottal stop. This is what gives it a popping sort of sound some people confuse with the clicks of a language like !Kung.

I hope this helps a few people along.

Once you have an understanding of the edjectives I'd say the best way to emphasize them is to practice just the edjectives. Really put some force into the air from your glottis before you release the edjective (basically really clamp down on your throat before releasing the air). It's hard to explain in words so if you're still having trouble I'll add edjectives into the next guide.

Anyway, your pronunciation is great and you definitely have a good grasp of the Na'vi accent. Some things I would work on perfecting would be:

  • The edjective on 'kaltxì' was a little soft (obviously you're aware of this, though your edjective in pivängkxo was great)
  • You're rolling your 'r' a bit in 'oeru'. It's very hard to get the Na'vi 'r' sometimes without ending up rolling it but it's something to work on
  • Your 'p' on 'prrte'' is coming out a little weird. You've got it un-aspirated but it's a little harsh and you're kind of giving it it's own syllable. A minor issue.
  • Also a minor issue, on the end of prrte' there is a glottal stop. To do this you have to essentially abruptly end the word by closing off your vocal chords. So, it's prrte- and not prrteh

Other than that it's great! That's a very, very hard sentence to nail and you've done an excellent job on it.

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 07:01:32 pm »
I'm probably wrong but when you say tsun it sounds like you're not saying the "s" part so it sounds like tun.
Also on the last sentence you pronounce kìyevame with an ee sound.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 07:08:11 pm by Java »

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 07:07:10 pm »
I'm probably wrong but when you say tsun it sounds like you're not saying the "s" part so it sounds like tun.

In the guide you mean?

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 07:14:19 pm »
yea

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 07:29:47 pm »
yea

It's definitely there but you can hear it a lot better when I say just 'tsun'. I do need to redo that sentence though since I messed up the ä in pivänkxo so I'll redo tsun as well.

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 07:57:42 pm »
Also on the last sentence you pronounce kìyevame with an ee sound.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 09:29:52 pm by Ftiafpi »

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 09:31:05 pm »
Also on the last sentence you pronounce kìyevame with an ee sound.

Gah, you're right. That stupid "ìy" is so easy to turn into an "iy". It will be fixed.

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2010, 01:32:52 am »
Thanks alot for this guide, it's extremely useful.

I've been practicing some of the phrases, but i'm really struggling with the edjectives...

Here's one example

Kaltxì, tsun oe ngahu pivängkxo a fì'u oeru prrte’ lu.
Hello, able to I be-with ADV-Na'vi (chat?) that this thing I-DAT (pleasure?) be.
Hello, it is a pleasure to be able to chat with you.

Are there any tips you can offer to stressing the edjectives?

Excellent, that's nearly perfect.

Edjectives are hard to teach but I'd refer you to this post http://forum.learnnavi.org/pronunciation-phonetics/ejectives/ and the following quote from w.m.annis:

Quote
Ejective consonants are made by closing the glottis as for a glottal stop, then pushing out one of the consonants /p, t, k/ just using the air in your mouth, then releasing the glottis for the following vowel sound. Notice that this isn't just a consonant followed immediately by a glottal stop, rather, the consonant is articulated *at the same time* as the glottal stop. This is what gives it a popping sort of sound some people confuse with the clicks of a language like !Kung.

I hope this helps a few people along.

Once you have an understanding of the edjectives I'd say the best way to emphasize them is to practice just the edjectives. Really put some force into the air from your glottis before you release the edjective (basically really clamp down on your throat before releasing the air). It's hard to explain in words so if you're still having trouble I'll add edjectives into the next guide.

Anyway, your pronunciation is great and you definitely have a good grasp of the Na'vi accent. Some things I would work on perfecting would be:

  • The edjective on 'kaltxì' was a little soft (obviously you're aware of this, though your edjective in pivängkxo was great)
  • You're rolling your 'r' a bit in 'oeru'. It's very hard to get the Na'vi 'r' sometimes without ending up rolling it but it's something to work on
  • Your 'p' on 'prrte'' is coming out a little weird. You've got it un-aspirated but it's a little harsh and you're kind of giving it it's own syllable. A minor issue.
  • Also a minor issue, on the end of prrte' there is a glottal stop. To do this you have to essentially abruptly end the word by closing off your vocal chords. So, it's prrte- and not prrteh

Other than that it's great! That's a very, very hard sentence to nail and you've done an excellent job on it.

Thanks alot! I'll work on those pointers :).

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2010, 08:58:24 pm »
Irayo!  This is so helpful!
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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2010, 10:28:43 pm »
Irayo!  This is so helpful!

Thanks, glad I could help. I'll be adding more soon (including one all about Frommer's letter).

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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2010, 05:18:19 pm »
could someone please post this to youtube? i cant view it on my ipod.
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Re: Na'vi Pronunciation Guides
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2010, 08:09:33 pm »
I've added another guide and updated the original one. As for putting it on youtube, you do know you can download it from the talknavi.com website right? If that doesn't help then I can ask seabass about putting these on the learnnavi.org youtube channel.

 

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