Avatar 2 news

[Tìtstewan]

Just realized, if Avatar 2 is coming out in 2018, surely he must be filming now?

Wasn't there some rumors that they already started filming in April?

[archaic]

There was? I missed that!

[Hahaw[hhvhhvcz]]

There was? I missed that!

Yeah - In Winter, J.C. said that they did some testing and when they announced the four more movies, he also said he'd start filming immidietly next week.

So... I assume that he or they have already been filming something like panoramas/skylines or at least, scene where they do not need Neytiri because she is still busy with GotG Vol. 2.


PS: Technology nowadays allows them to tranfering facial expressions to virtual world in real time in nice quality. Just look at the performence you get for your personal PC* at the moment. The only thing that limit them are time and fantasy.

[Hahaw[hhvhhvcz]]

Firstly sorry for double post.

I know that you know that we want some behind the scene things, right?

Well... one friend of mine whom i play with some games, has found on YT a video where one guy from Lightstorm/someone inside the Avatar filming group (?)* shows *technologies and know-how* how J.C. is going to make the next movies and I'd that the video's showing the current technology becausee video has nice quality and was uploaded on YT at 7. 5. 2016. In addition, the raw render quality is quit good.


So Let's get impressed! 

Per Lightstorm, this is unauthorized content.  Link has been removed.   - Mark

[Tìtstewan]

Not sure if it falls under this:

... With that in mind, we at LearnNavi will actively discourage the posting of any unauthorized, or leaked material about the next films on the forums. ...

[Ertew]

Just realized, if Avatar 2 is coming out in 2018, surely he must be filming now?

OK, I had an idea a while back, it's about time I shared it. I had this idea while writing my Avatar3 fanfic.
Here goes .....

This is for filming realistic interactions between humans and Na'vi/Avatars.
Film the two performances in separated locations, but simultaneously.
The humans are filmed and shown live on a monitor with the Na'vi/Avatars.
The Na'vi/Avatars are filmed and shown live on a monitor with the humans.
The images are shown at an appropriate scale, the humans see the performance at Na'vi/Avatar's true height (nine to ten feet tall) the Na'vi and Avatars see the humans at around three feet high. The monitors are motorized, with speeds set to allow for the different leg lengths of humans and Na'vi/Avatars.
Humans need to walk much further and faster to keep up!
Differently scaled props could be attached to the screens (in holders?) to allow them to pass the items back and forward as necessary.
Sets and volume objects would need to be scaled appropriately, e.g. a fallen tree trunk may be two and a half feet high for a human, but only eighteen inches for the actor playing the Na'vi/Avatar. And so on.
The monitors would want a speaker built in to enhance the natural reactions of the actors. IMHO.
An enhanced version could feature a camera mounted that can travel in two dimensions over the screen, to allow for actors squatting, sitting, jumping, etc. to get more accurate visual feed back to their performance.

Scale is always a problem. Every interaction between different worlds looks fake. Just look at ending, where Ney put mask on Jack's face.
Good to know that AV2 will be one step better, one step easier to play for actors. But still kissing can't be done and high five will look artificial.

Not sure if it falls under this:

... With that in mind, we at LearnNavi will actively discourage the posting of any unauthorized, or leaked material about the next films on the forums. ...

Ma Hahaw[hhvhhvcz], Apart from legal issues, this forum was created for learning language.
Posting official news inside this subforum are acceptable as cosplay, tribe, etc. on other subforums.
As You know, there no place for speculations inside this subforum, this topic. Eventually speculations can be paced in offtopic secion.

Back to this place, You found good materials. Probably it's real but still unofficial. You're stepping over thin line. Interpretation depends on person.
imo this materials can stay on forum, but should be moved to another topic or covered within spoiler alert 'unapproved, posted by unknown person, may be fake'.





BTW, why Na'vi are barefoot, while actors using shoes? It's a nonsense for me to cover toes, then recreate it.

[Tìtstewan]

Back to this place, You found good materials. Probably it's real but still unofficial. You're stepping over thin line. Interpretation depends on person.
imo this materials can stay on forum, but should be moved to another topic or covered within spoiler alert 'unapproved, posted by unknown person, may be fake'.

At the 2012 AvatarMeet, Jon Landau (the producer of Avatar) specifically stated and enlisted our help to allow the filmmakers at Lightstorm and Fox to release information about the upcoming sequels on their own timetable. Part of the allure and success of a film is allowing the curtain to go up and reveal the experience of the film as the creators intend. With that in mind, we at LearnNavi will actively discourage the posting of any unauthorized, or leaked material about the next films on the forums. We do want (and encourage!) conversation, speculation and guesses on what is coming, but we do not want to spoil the hard work that all of these people are putting into the upcoming films by trying to upstage them with "insider leaks". Please help us grant the wishes of the filmmakers in this regard by not posting content, or links to content that have not been specifically provided by recognized and authoritative news sources.

Making speculations and stuff are totally ok, but links to images, videos or texts that appears to be a leak is not good because of the reason mentioned in the quote above.
Even adding "unapproved, posted by unknown person, may be fake" does not necessarily help, particulary since the source is questionable. Flickr and YouTube (the video is not listed on YouTube, only visible by a link) is not really a news site. So, Markì is going to check it.

[Toruk Makto]

The video and images were not authorized by Lightstorm.  The links have been edited out. Although I can't require it, I would also ask that any local copies you may have made of these images and video be deleted.

Let's be careful,  ma smuk.  As we get further into creation of the sequels, we'll start to see more things like this.  Rule of thumb: If in doubt, don't post it. Or check with me first.

- Mark

[Blue Elf]

PS: Technology nowadays allows them to tranfering facial expressions to virtual world in real time in nice quality. Just look at the performence you get for your personal PC* at the moment. The only thing that limit them are time and fantasy.

Do we still need real actors? Technology now has nearly no limits. 
I even remember, that it was created movie where main character was completely created and animated by computer (as there were some troubles with actor). Unfortunately, I don't remember any details...

[Tirea Aean]

Of course we need actors! that human touch just doesn't exist in computers themselves, yet. At Least need voice actors..

[Tìtstewan]

Yes, human actors are still needed. There are some movies with completely animates characters, but animating a character as detailed as a real human body is not very easy and requires some specialists.

[archaic]

One day computer simulation may well replace the need for actors and stunt/body doubles entirely.
Until then, yes we do, but expect CGI stand-ins to become more common, more sophisticated and more convincing as time goes on.

IMHO.

[Hahaw[hhvhhvcz]]

One day computer simulation may well replace the need for actors and stunt/body doubles entirely.
Until then, yes we do, but expect CGI stand-ins to become more common, more sophisticated and more convincing as time goes on.

IMHO.

Rä'ä tswa' futa J.C. love new technologies and he said somewhere that he want to film next movies in 60 Fps (4K?) in 3D. So they have to invent new CGI effect that'd look in 60fps video nice.


btw - We're getting off-topic a little bit.

[Toliman]

James Cameron has huge plans to make Avatar an epic franchise. There are currently four sequels planned, but the problem is that the release date for the second film keeps getting pushed back. The last time Avatar 2 lost its release date was when it was taken off the calendar completely, but now it looks like the sequel finally has an official release date that it will keep: December 21, 2018. ...

http://epicstream.com/news/Avatar-2-Release-Date-Finally-Announced-For-Real-This-Time

[Blue Elf]

but can we be sure? I allow myself to be a little skeptic - but I think Dec 2019 is the last possible release date. If 1 year will be saved - good for us. Making mark in the calendar

[Toliman]

but can we be sure? I allow myself to be a little skeptic.

True - about release date of Avatar 2 I'm a bit skeptic already longer time. I hope that this is really final date.

[archaic]

If Avatar 2 is to be released on December 21, 2018, then production would need to be well under way now. I haven't seen the kind of reports that I'd expect to see, hints that filming/motion capture has begun.

So either security is really really good, or 2019 is more likely. Maybe even 2020.

[Toliman]

If Avatar 2 is to be released on December 21, 2018, then production would need to be well under way now.

It's true. But I still hope that it will be released really on December 2018.

[Blue Elf]

If Avatar 2 is to be released on December 21, 2018, then production would need to be well under way now. I haven't seen the kind of reports that I'd expect to see, hints that filming/motion capture has begun.

So either security is really really good, or 2019 is more likely. Maybe even 2020.

If first sequel will not be published on 2019 Christmas at the latest, I consider it as a big fail. 10th anniversary of Avatar release must be celebrated this way.

[Toliman]

10th anniversary of Avatar release must be celebrated this way.

Hmm ... releasing of Avatar 2 to 10th anniversary of Avatar looks as interesting idea.
In any case, waiting is already too long ...