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Mithcoriel:

--- Quote ---As for Norms Avatar: Wasn't he in the scene at the end where they guarded the humans entering the spacecraft?
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No he wasn't. Norm was there in human form. The Na'vi standing next to him was some other Avatar driver. (In the script, the other avatars all rebelled as well and were on Jake's side.)


--- Quote ---For Tsu'tey I can guess that in the end Cameron decided to not get into the "what happens if the hairplug is cut off" discussion and left the scene out because of that.
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No, he mentioned in an interview that the reason he cut it out was cause it interrupted the pace. The scene where Neytiri sees Jake's human form for the first time and they both say "I see you" is more powerful and more emotional than Tsu'tey's death, and for the sake of good dramaturgy, you can't have a less powerful scene after a powerful scene, that's why they had to cut it. It was almost a last-minute decision. Doesnt sound to me like anything else was actually wrong with the scene.


--- Quote ---Imagine all the possible plots in Avatar 2 with Tsu'tey being Olo'exktan and rather conservative, and Jakesully being Turuk Makto (or having been), but not as conservative Na'vi as he grew up in different traditions.
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As archaic mentioned: Jake is seen at the end of the movie wearing the Olo'eyktan-neck decoration, so Jake being the new clan leader is definitely part of the canon.

What makes you think Quaritch is booked for the sequel?

Trudy: in the original script she died. So I'm quite sure she's dead in the canon as well. I know, she was a great character, I miss her too, but it would be a bit cheap if they just forcibly made her survive.

archaic:

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Sounds like even death won't keep Avatar's main villain away from reprising his role. Stephen Lang who played Colonel Miles Quaritch had this to say:

“You think those two arrows in my chest are going to stop me from coming back?” Nothing’s over so long as they’ve got my DNA.”


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Found here
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/LetsCutTheBS/news/?a=13800
but I've read the same news in other places also.

Nifty:

--- Quote from: archaic on March 15, 2010, 04:44:00 am ---Ok so we know that:

* Eytukan: Dead, but he lives within eywa.
* Dr Grace Augustine: Dead, but she lives within eywa. Booked for sequel.
* Col Miles Quatitch: Booked for sequel?!**(survived somehow? lives within eywa like Augustine? Cloned? Flashback? Time Travel? Avatar2 is a prequel?)

What we do not know for sure:

* Norms Avatar: The older script say's dead, but if we don't see it did it happen? Alone 2-3 hits in the shoulder shouldn't be enough to kill it, Quaritch states clearly that the Na'vi are "very hard to kill".
* Trudy Chacone: Watch her samson explode, is there an ejector seat saving her life? I can't be sure, but just possibly. I hope she lived, she's too good a charater to just kill off, but it's a stretch.
* Tsu'tey:Why does everyone assume he is dead? 5-6 entry wound on his front, no exit wounds, we see him adjusting his fall to begin a leaf fall landing. I think it's safe to assume he's well practiced. Dr Norm Spellman phd is on foot in the right area so could have been able to stop the bleeding, which would have saved his life. Plus as Quaritch states Na'vi are "very hard to kill". Or he lives within eywa.
These are just my opinions feel free to tell me if/why you think I'm wrong.

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I have an answer to these 'not known yet' questions... ONE WORD: CLONING!!!  ;D
Most likely even if Norm's avatar died they can just create another from the RDA base.
For Trudy, I'm sure that with science in those times (suuposedly, since Na'vi were made via DNA) would have some clonning solution where it can clone someone from DNA or grow someone from the DNA like the growing of the Avatars.
Tsu'tey although is most likely (sorry), is dead.

Mithcoriel:

--- Quote from: archaic on March 17, 2010, 04:59:11 pm ---
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Sounds like even death won't keep Avatar's main villain away from reprising his role. Stephen Lang who played Colonel Miles Quaritch had this to say:

“You think those two arrows in my chest are going to stop me from coming back?” Nothing’s over so long as they’ve got my DNA.”


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Found here
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/LetsCutTheBS/news/?a=13800
but I've read the same news in other places also.

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Yeah, but that's just what the actor said, isn't it? His wishful thinking. It's only relevant if James Cameron or the like says something like that. And the title "Seems not even death will stop this villain" sounds like the newspaper just wanted to add a catchy description.


--- Quote ---For Trudy, I'm sure that with science in those times (suuposedly, since Na'vi were made via DNA) would have some clonning solution where it can clone someone from DNA or grow someone from the DNA like the growing of the Avatars.
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Why are people constantly assuming that cloning is like bringing someone back from the dead? When you clone someone, you create a new baby, who, for all intents and purposes, could be called the little sibling of the original person, or their child, but it's not the same individual. It's entirely possible that this clone grows up to be almost the opposite of the original, out of rebellion cause they want to live their own life, or cause they were raised differently, or who knows what. Unless you transfer the memory and personality of the original.

But no matter what methods are suggested for bringing people back from the dead: this is a can of worms I don't think Cameron would (or should) open. It has a far too high risk of making the story cheesy, it removes the dangers and thereby lowers all the stakes, and creates too many questions. Like, how will they ever get rid of Quaritch, if the RDA keep his DNA and a backup of his memories in their database? He'd die ten times over and come back each time.

Actually, come to think of it, here's a reason why this probably wouldn't work: They didn't clone Tom Sully, Jake's brother, who was so useful to them. So that strongly suggests they can't. Another option still, if they had the ability to save a dead person's memories, would have been to put Tom into the Avatar. Not the best solution, since I'm sure Tom would have wanted to stay human, but given the circumstances, I'm sure he wouldn't have minded. Being a Na'vi is better than being dead. Or, at the very least, they could have transferred Tom's memories, his knowledge of the Na'vi and science, into Jake, to help him work for them. Again, obviously this can't be done.

archaic:
Well reasoned.

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