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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2010, 03:52:17 pm »
How is this acting like the haters?

I said how in my post..

I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't want Quaritch back is like evil or anything, I'm just saying that the people that go "having Quaritch in the sequel would make it suck so much!" is basically what people were doing when they were calling it Avatar Dances With Wolves in Space.

We act like Avatar-haters if we don't blindly and uncritically love and worship every single idea they could come up with for the sequel, no matter how stupid it could possibly be? o_O

I'm not saying you have to absolutely love it I'm saying that you shouldn't pass judgment on something and call it stupid if you haven't even seen it.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2010, 10:34:56 am »
Nah, there is a huge difference.

"Avatar" has already been made. The haters are passing judgement on something that already exists, which they've seen snippets of and are prematurely judging. (And by the way, it can have elements of "Dances with Wolves" or "Pocahontas" without being bad.)

We are talking about what could be, and wether that would be good or not.

I can say: "Imagine if, in the sequel, Pandora is suddenly visited by a bunch of little green men from mars, who decide to get the Unobtainium for themselves. But the Na'vi then team up with E.T. who's arrived from his own planet, and defeat the martians with the use of kryptonite..." or whatever. And I think you'd be safe to say that that would be a really crappy plot. Or would you also say "Hey, don't bash what you haven't seen yet"?

I assume Cameron would only bring Quaritch back if he had a really really good reason, a way to make it all plausible. So IF he really announced Quaritch was back, that would make it a little less likely that such a plot would suck. But I can't see how. So I'm gonna assume that a plot with Zombie Quaritch in it would be bad, and that therefore Cameron won't bring him back in the first place.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2010, 03:27:08 pm »
"Imagine if, in the sequel, Pandora is suddenly visited by a bunch of little green men from mars, who decide to get the Unobtainium for themselves. But the Na'vi then team up with E.T. who's arrived from his own planet, and defeat the martians with the use of kryptonite..." or whatever. And I think you'd be safe to say that that would be a really crappy plot. Or would you also say "Hey, don't bash what you haven't seen yet"?

It would make an interesting story. I do like movies like "Scary Movie" and "Epic Movie". Mash ups always make for interesting fun. I'm not saying that that's what they should do for Avatar 2 because it wouldn't fit the mood or genre for that matter but I am also not going to toss it aside outright either, so I'd still have to see it to pass a like/hate judgment.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2010, 04:18:05 pm »
Come on, seriously? :D
Like you said, it would make a good spoof. But if that actually happened in the Avatar universe, that would be horrible! It would ruin the story!
Or else what if Jake died in the sequel, or Neytiri died. Or the sequel takes place 100 years after Avatar, saying the humans took over again and turned Pandora into a technology-desert like earth.

Is it your nature to be that careful? You can make guesses, you know, even if you haven't seen it.

Also, since we're talking about something that hasn't actually been made into a movie, we can further judge the whole scope of it, since there is no information we haven't seen yet. It's not like "Hey, why don't you see what Cameron's explanation is for it, before you complain?" , it's "We can imagine ourselves what the explanation is. We are all-knowing inside this hypothetical world".

We can guess that Quaritch returning from the dead has a tendency toward making the movie cheap. Now, Cameron could come up with a genius way to make it work, but he'd have to use extra energy to make it seem okay. The natural tendency of bringing Quaritch back would be towards bad movie quality.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2010, 04:27:24 pm »
Yeah, this is all guess work that we're hating on and theirs nothing wrong with that. ;D

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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2010, 06:07:26 pm »
Come on, seriously? :D
Like you said, it would make a good spoof. But if that actually happened in the Avatar universe, that would be horrible! It would ruin the story!
Or else what if Jake died in the sequel, or Neytiri died. Or the sequel takes place 100 years after Avatar, saying the humans took over again and turned Pandora into a technology-desert like earth.

Is it your nature to be that careful? You can make guesses, you know, even if you haven't seen it.

Also, since we're talking about something that hasn't actually been made into a movie, we can further judge the whole scope of it, since there is no information we haven't seen yet. It's not like "Hey, why don't you see what Cameron's explanation is for it, before you complain?" , it's "We can imagine ourselves what the explanation is. We are all-knowing inside this hypothetical world".

We can guess that Quaritch returning from the dead has a tendency toward making the movie cheap. Now, Cameron could come up with a genius way to make it work, but he'd have to use extra energy to make it seem okay. The natural tendency of bringing Quaritch back would be towards bad movie quality.

Ya it would severely alter the current avatar story to make a spoof, but those would be very very drastic changes. However, I don't see how it's a far leap to assume that they wouldn't keep DNA of some of their best soldiers in case one should die.

IMO it is nice to have a story follow through until the end but if Cameron suddenly decided to change the main characters from Jake and Neytiri to some other Avatar/Na'vi does that suddenly make the movie horrible? I don't believe so, it only makes it different.

I, just like everybody else, do have opinions about what I like to see in movies. However I don't think it is fair to JC or anybody else working on Avatar 2 to judge if something that they have yet to put into play makes the movie suck without it having been seen or even made for that matter.

I'm not trying to be careful, just fair is all.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2010, 06:44:27 pm »
I keep up my blue monkey remarks I may be the next villian  ;D


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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2010, 06:46:09 pm »
I keep up my blue monkey remarks I may be the next villian  ;D

As long as you don't look anything like your profile pic it should be fine.  ;)

Edit: awwwww you had to change your pic, now my post doesn't work anymore..
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2010, 11:02:52 pm »
I keep up my blue monkey remarks I may be the next villian  ;D

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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2010, 07:15:20 am »
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However, I don't see how it's a far leap to assume that they wouldn't keep DNA of some of their best soldiers in case one should die.

If they did that, they'd have to raise baby Quaritch clone again from scratch. And Quaritch was valuable cause he had so much experience in war on earth. So they'd have to put the Quaritch clone through, what, 30 years of combat experience all over again, and something could easily go wrong so he wouldn't be the person they want him to be again. What he is is not stored in his DNA.
There's such a huge supply of humans on overpopulated earth, plenty of which have war experience. It would be much more useful for them to just get a fresh war veteran, already grown up.
And, quite frankly, Quaritch was a bit of a nuissance to them. Especially in that scene that was cut out from the final movie, where he attacked Selfridge and took control. And he continued fighting when the RDA were already defeated. That's not what ya call efficient. I don't really see how Quaritch was in any way of much value to the RDA. He held a high position, so sure, they felt his loss. But he held that high position based on his experience, not his genes.

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IMO it is nice to have a story follow through until the end but if Cameron suddenly decided to change the main characters from Jake and Neytiri to some other Avatar/Na'vi does that suddenly make the movie horrible? I don't believe so, it only makes it different.

It might not be the worst thing in the world, it could still be a nice movie and all, but it would be terrible if it happened. I can safely say it would suck to have them die, even if maybe the rest of the movie wouldn't suck somehow.

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I, just like everybody else, do have opinions about what I like to see in movies. However I don't think it is fair to JC or anybody else working on Avatar 2 to judge if something that they have yet to put into play makes the movie suck without it having been seen or even made for that matter.

I already adressed this. We are not judging JC, cause he has not said he'd bring Quaritch back. You can't be offended on JC's behalf if we're criticizing something he never even did. On the contrary: I am guessing that Cameron, too, would possibly consider the idea of bringing Quaritch back a stupid idea if he heard about it. So you might actually be the one judging him and disagreeing with him.
Obviously we don't know what Cameron thinks about this, so there's no point bringing him into this.

And we also have our opinions, about what would be cool and what would be bad. It really doesn't make a lot of sense that you said we were like the haters, just for voicing negative opinions.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2010, 08:50:33 am »
Heck, I think it's safe to say pretty much everybody here LOVES JC and would (nearly) blindly follow him into whatever movie he does next (Battle Angel Alita).

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Re: Who should be the next villain?
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2010, 04:01:41 pm »
I'm a hater cuz I don't want a cheasy idea like Quaritch returning to mar the current beauty of Avatar?

That's like saying that because I UTTERLY HATE Jar Jar that I hate all of Star Wars.

Honestly, there are instance where putting too much faith in the creator of the story is not a good thing. I believe Cameron has a vision and we shloud encourage him instead of falling back upon things that can make the story look cheasy to make it fit with the theme. Avatar is a storyline that is cliche, but it is told well and it it is well fleshed out. The whole Quaritch DNA thing to me just seems not at all with the rhythm of the story. And honestly yes it would be cheesy. Because for some of us Quairth did not die at all quick enough.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2010, 05:33:44 pm »
I'm not saying anyone is a hater of Avatar I was saying that some people were acting like the haters, the kind that focus on one specific of a movie and try to down play the rest of the movie because of it.

Cheesy is a relative term, some people I know think that it was cheesy to have the Na'vi similar to Native Americans. Does that mean that it was cheesy to me or you? no.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2010, 08:05:24 pm »
I'm not saying anyone is a hater of Avatar I was saying that some people were acting like the haters, the kind that focus on one specific of a movie and try to down play the rest of the movie because of it.

Cheesy is a relative term, some people I know think that it was cheesy to have the Na'vi similar to Native Americans. Does that mean that it was cheesy to me or you? no.

Picking up apart or trying to find flaws will generally occur if somethin is that successful.

Ok, back on topic, Dolph Lundgern, as a villian, how about that? :P

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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2010, 08:07:23 pm »
Good choice, but is he even still among the living?


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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2010, 08:10:29 pm »
Good choice, but is he even still among the living?

Yes, he just came out with this another new "universal soldier" movie, together with Van Damme, it didn't make the cinema thou, as far as I heard.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2010, 08:26:49 am »
Next villain ? The Reapers! And Pandora is their first target!

It'll be too bad for the Na'vi since the only person able to stop the Reapers is Commander Shephard and after the last movie, Na'vi and non-Pandora humans ain't on good terms. Good job, Jake. Now you really screwed the Na'vi! ( just jkin :D )


Ok back to reality. Possibly thinking there's going to be a Na'vi villain maybe, could be that one of the Na'vi tribes on Pandora went rogue and have great hatred towards Omaticaya because Sully is Clan Chief and  the fact that they allow humans.

So first movie about ecoterrorism. Second movie, nationalists hating outsiders! Yay, now TWO messages are being spread across in the trilogy. But that would still be a cool idea. A rogue tribe.
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
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Re: Who should be the next villain?
« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2010, 01:20:05 pm »
AHHHH!! Too terrifying! Must not be in the next Avatar!! :P

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