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Offline Txontaw

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Why sequels suck...
« on: December 28, 2010, 09:07:26 pm »
So I've been doing some research into why sequels always seem to suck so bad. Obviously there are a few exceptions, such as LotR, Back to the Future, and Toy Story. But why are those so good, where the rest are godawful?

The first key point is greed. If a movie does well, the investors get money. Everybody wants more money, so they'll back up a sequel to get more money. There is no passion in a sequel spawned by greed. It's like marrying a person for their money. This spawns a movie that is total and utter garbage, because a movie without passion cannot succeed. You need someone to really care about the movie. If it's just a job that needs to get done to the filmmakers, there's really no way that it can work. The movie will feel like just another day at work.

The second key point is story. This is what most sequels lack that the movies I named above don't. Usually, when the filmmakers are done with a movie, they're done. They ship it off to the theaters and start on their next project. If they get called back to shoot a sequel, it's like shooting an entirely new movie. They're starting off at the beginning again. It feels like two different movies... there's a disconnect between the first and the second. In a successful sequel, such as LotR, it feels like one really long movie, and you can watch them one after another without getting bored of the story. The same thing happens with good TV shows; it feels like a story that just keeps going. If there's that gap between segments, it'll get boring quick. You can't connect with it as well.

So, where does this put Avatar? Avatar fulfills the first requirement hands down. This story has been James Cameron's dream project for fifteen years. He really cares about the story, and he wants to give everyone the best movie he can.

As for the second requirement, it really depends. There's no way to really know whether he'll pull it off, but I would say that if he plays his cards right, it'll be really easy for him to put out a really good sequel. But if this fails, the entire thing will go down the drain.
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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2010, 06:56:19 am »
As for the second requirement, it really depends. There's no way to really know whether he'll pull it off, but I would say that if he plays his cards right, it'll be really easy for him to put out a really good sequel. But if this fails, the entire thing will go down the drain.

I agree with both of the aspects you've discussed and, just like you, I believe Avatar is out of danger regarding the aspect of greed.

Concerning the quality of the story, well, Cameron said himself that he had planned sequel ideas for the case of a huge success with Avatar, so I believe he knows where he's heading to. :) It's true, though, that it could easily be disastrous if he did screw up.

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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2010, 09:09:27 am »
Cameron is good at sequels, and seemingly limitless imagination, creativity and drive, plus he's a total perfectionist, If any one out there can make this work it's him.

Or he could use my script if he get's writers block. ;)
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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2010, 10:05:53 am »
My inner LotR-geek forces me to point out that tLotR does not have any sequels.
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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2010, 10:10:16 am »
My inner LotR-geek forces me to point out that tLotR does not have any sequels.
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I think he'll do fine, most of his popular ones are sequels. ;D


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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2010, 10:15:54 am »
My inner LotR-geek forces me to point out that tLotR does not have any sequels.

Not a big LotR fan, but I agree. :)


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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2010, 02:07:37 pm »
My inner LotR-geek forces me to point out that tLotR does not have any sequels.

Not a big LotR fan, but I agree. :)

hehe I agree, too! ;D But I think we all understand the point Txontaw was trying to make (;

It's true that Cameron seems to be good at sequels :) It's kind of encouraging!

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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2010, 03:28:18 pm »
My inner LotR-geek forces me to point out that tLotR does not have any sequels.

Which is my point exactly.

It is one big story, which is what makes it so good.
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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2011, 03:21:24 pm »
I'm sure I read or saw an interview with Cameron saying that he had already written a story arc for two sequels, or at least had two sequels worth of content to work on. This is often the problem with sequels. The first is a success and they try and add even more to the original by duct taping it on, so to speak.

On top of that, Jim is known for making sequels on par with, if not better, than the original, i.e Terminator, Aliens...

Nothing will stop me from seeing the sequels though!
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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2011, 04:05:33 pm »
I'm sure I read or saw an interview with Cameron saying that he had already written a story arc for two sequels, or at least had two sequels worth of content to work on. This is often the problem with sequels. The first is a success and they try and add even more to the original by duct taping it on, so to speak.

On top of that, Jim is known for making sequels on par with, if not better, than the original, i.e Terminator, Aliens...

Nothing will stop me from seeing the sequels though!

If he was just going to pull the sequels out of thin air I probably wouldn't go see them, but since they'll probably be super awesome, I will.  ;D

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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2011, 06:15:11 pm »
JC planned Avatar as a trilogy. There was never an intention to just make one, Avatar is nowhere near complete yet.
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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2011, 11:24:12 pm »
It can't possibly end with just Jake's eyeballs!  ;D

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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2011, 11:41:32 pm »
HNM got it. This story arc has been paced as a trilogy since the beginning. The story is a given. The investment (20th C.Fox) is probably a given, with the showing the first film had.

I just want to see a lot more Na'vi language and culture built into the next one. These big blue people are too real to too many people not to have more information about them to be shared.


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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2011, 02:29:22 am »
I just want to see a lot more Na'vi language and culture built into the next one. These big blue people are too real to too many people not to have more information about them to be shared.

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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2011, 06:29:23 am »
I just want to see a lot more Na'vi language and culture built into the next one. These big blue people are too real to too many people not to have more information about them to be shared.

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I completely agree! And I believe this has chances to really happen, since there will be no humans to take a big part of the film length and content (well, as far as we can guess since we don't know anything detailed about the storyline yet). Also, James Cameron is aware of the interest that the Na'vi language represents for many, and he might also even want to increase the amount of learners, so chances are we might see more Na'vi as well! :)

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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2011, 05:45:13 pm »
Maybe I'd be mega disappointing if there wasn't more Na'vi, but then it's a long way off. If we keep adding to the language as we are at present, we may not need the additional stuff for the language.


Then again, need it or not, I'd still be mega disappointed if it wasn't there.

Nasty thought, what if the Omatikaya get so hacked off with Jake abusing their language that they all just use ìngìisì? :o
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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2011, 06:33:57 pm »
I just want to see a lot more Na'vi language and culture built into the next one. These big blue people are too real to too many people not to have more information about them to be shared.

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I completely agree! And I believe this has chances to really happen, since there will be no humans to take a big part of the film length and content (well, as far as we can guess since we don't know anything detailed about the storyline yet). Also, James Cameron is aware of the interest that the Na'vi language represents for many, and he might also even want to increase the amount of learners, so chances are we might see more Na'vi as well! :)

There's still the sawtute left behind, they'll probably be a big part of the story to attract more viewers.

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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 01:36:05 am »
There's still the sawtute left behind, they'll probably be a big part of the story to attract more viewers.

You're talking about the RDA personnel that got expelled from pandora and not the scientists/Avatar drivers, kefyak?

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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2011, 03:31:31 am »
Or would they make a family track..?
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Re: Why sequels suck...
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 06:52:13 am »
There's still the sawtute left behind, they'll probably be a big part of the story to attract more viewers.

You're talking about the RDA personnel that got expelled from pandora and not the scientists/Avatar drivers, kefyak?



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