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Tirea Pa'li

Lets fly on the wings of our imagination! What do you want to see in the next movies! (they are making avatar 2 and 3!!! They just dont have a choice! Or i`ll find `em!)
I know its the best movie ever, and its hard to think of anything, but there`s always something that you wanted to see in Avatar, but you dint.
I`ll be the first to start. I have said this before and will do it again! I want more Na`vi culture. I want a song, i want the dropped dance scene, i want some more lore. And... ok hold on.... i know this may sound a little too pink and fluffy but ...i want to see Jake and Neytiri have children. Would be so cool! This i the best way to give us some more insight on the Navi way of life - the parents teaching their child the ways of Omaticaya! They teach the kiddo - we learn!
Just say what you personaly want to see in the next movie. May be a little thing or the whole story arc to your liking.

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I've got an idea for a story arc, but I'm writing a narrative using it (which I will post in the fiction area when I get further along), so I won't spoil the surprise and go into it here.  It's probably more suited to narrative format than movie format anyway.

What worries me is the continual need for sequels to be more and more epic than the one before it.  That's going to be difficult to do with Avatar and not just rehash the original movie.

I absolutely do not want to see main character death.  The bizarre need for books and movies to kill a main character to artificially generate some kind of drama or motivation is really annoying.  More often than not it's a tool of someone that has run out of ideas.  You don't need to kill off a character you've worked so hard to endear to the reader/viewer just to generate drama/motivation/feeling.  On rare occasions it is done for the right reasons and it does work, but I don't see future Avatar movies needing or benefiting from it.

As for what I'd like to see, I'll start with further exploration of Na'vi culture and the differences between some of the clans.  More glimpses of their daily lives, rituals, songs, and so on.  I'd love to see more looks at how the Na'vi interact with their environment, especially the plants.  More glimpses of the playful side of the Na'vi would also be welcome.

Hmm, I'll just stop there.  Lots more, but that's enough for now.

Txur Txe’lan

I fear for sequels on great movies like this because its hard to make the movie better than the first. Im still trying to figure out what the storyline is going to be now that their are no more humans. but i can still put my 2 cents out here. I would also like to see more of the na'vi culture. i feel like it was kinda pushed aside to make room for the story. Im not really liking the idea of Jake and Neytiri having children. The would also have to become main characters and to me it would take a lot of the spotlight away from the original main characters. i would also like to see more of the other tribes and more of the planet. in the movie we only saw a very small, isolated part of the planet and small snippets of the other tribes and their environment. i should stop here cause i too have lots of ideas.

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Quote from: Txur Txe'lan on January 30, 2010, 06:59:42 PM
I fear for sequels on great movies like this because its hard to make the movie better than the first. Im still trying to figure out what the storyline is going to be now that their are no more humans. but i can still put my 2 cents out here. I would also like to see more of the na'vi culture. i feel like it was kinda pushed aside to make room for the story. Im not really liking the idea of Jake and Neytiri having children. The would also have to become main characters and to me it would take a lot of the spotlight away from the original main characters. i would also like to see more of the other tribes and more of the planet. in the movie we only saw a very small, isolated part of the planet and small snippets of the other tribes and their environment. i should stop here cause i too have lots of ideas.

I would welcome the fact of Neytiri and Jake having children. A question that seems to get asked alot is how Na'vi parents interact with their children.
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Here's my theory: tension in the clans arises again and they have to try to work something out.  No progress is made, so war begins to break out again.  Right as the biggest battle is going to happen, the humans return, along with Quaritch (who they "resurrected" using DNA).  Second movie end somehow on that note.

Third movie is all about the war between the Na'vi and the humans, and the points between battles (Those who have seen Saving Private Ryan get the idea).  In the end, no matter what, if the humans return, we know that the Na'vi will win.  What's going to make the story is what it costs them to get the victory.


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Txur Txe’lan

i agree with some of those parts and disagree with others. I do think they are going to have to bring humans back in order to have a solid storyline. I don't think that there would ever be a civil war between the na'vi clans. Each clan is aware of the others but they all seemed independent and isolated from each other. unless they do more culture development  I think its kind of a stretch. I also don't think Quaritch should come back. i dont see a reason to bring him back and im not much of a fan of resurrecting in movies. to me its just a cheap way to not develop a new character. I think he should be replaced by his higher up or his dad seeking revenger. something along those lines. sorry if it seems like im flaming your post. i accept your opinions and ideas 100%. these are just my thoughts.

MaTe

I think the story will still evolve around Na'Vi-human conflict. maybe there will be some sort of civil war between clans as Jake will be pushing for tech advancements(both human and unique to pandora) to defend Pandora against humans (unobtanium is too expensive for RDA to bother about what UN thinks). civil war around the idea of "corruption by tech".

I like how Quaritch is played... but if they decide to go with his resurrection it needs to have a good place in a story and there should be non-cheezy story around it. I'd hate if it will be done "just because he was in Avatar 1 and people liked him".
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Quote from: Txur Txe'lan on January 31, 2010, 01:05:34 AM
iI also don't think Quaritch should come back. i dont see a reason to bring him back and im not much of a fan of resurrecting in movies.
Because of the line "I will be back." by Terminator. XD  Just kidding.

Since Cameron said that Avatar 2 will be focused on Pandora exploration, I think that Jake and Neytiri will try very hard to find a good way to prevent themselves from human's invasion perhaps. And the war(II?) will take place in Avatar 3. It's just my guess, but I wonder if there will be a touching or exciting story. To come up with a great screenplay for Avatar 2 should be a real challenge for James Cameron.

ShadowedSin

No to Quaritch returning.

I would love to see maybe the actor in a new role, but honestly NO more resurrection. 
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Well, when the humans were leaving at the end of the movie, I could have SWORN I saw Quaritch's body on the stretcher being wheeled out.  With that said, i don't know what that might mean.

If he does return, I would bet that you would only see him in battle, because honestly, he took over the whole operation near the end.

Remember, in the movie, though Selfridge said that "killing the indigenous sounds bad..." he gave Jake the opportunity to convince them to move when Quaritch was rolling to destroy Hometree.  I would bet that based on that, he lost a lot of his power over the operation, and Quaritch took over (drawn from what was seen on-screen and what was in the script).  With that said, no one's giving him the position he had when there.

Over all, I would not be surprised if he returns.  However, I WOULD be surprised if his role were as major as it was in this movie.

If he returns, I'll bet it would be another "last-battle" between Jake and Quaritch, and that's when we'll see Quaritch again for the first time.

As to the "civil war," we'll see a lot of the culture just by experiencing it: Neytiri's not going to be teaching Jake much more.  But there must be customs that would happen with conflict between the tribes.

EDIT: Here's the main reason why I really believe Quaritch will be back: http://avatar2movie.blogspot.com/2010/01/avatar-2-spoilers-theres-more-coming.html


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Txur Txe’lan

If they ressurect him using DNA then that would open up a lot of plotholes. If they can bring anyone back to life then having someone die won't have the same impact as it should. Cameron can get away with it once but after that it's just not going to work.

pbhead

they might do something in pirates of the carribian 2 (ick)... where at the very end of the second movie we see quaritch (- scar of course) growing in a animo tank... but this is so stupid for so many reasons... I am sure the RDA would find it much cheaper to get a new guy from earth than to grow a new guy... who would definitaly not have the memories and expeariances of quartich... UNLESS they manage to tap into the neural net of pandora... AND quartich for some dumbass of a reason happens to be in there.... which since he doesnt have a queue... would be rediculous.

point is. unless he didnt die (which he did)... it just makes no sence for him to be back.

and... i am sure it would not be hard to make a more evil, (although prolly less cool) character than quartich.

Txur Txe’lan

Quote from: pbhead on January 31, 2010, 12:09:26 PM
I am sure the RDA would find it much cheaper to get a new guy from earth than to grow a new guy... who would definitaly not have the memories and expeariances of quartich... UNLESS they manage to tap into the neural net of pandora... AND quartich for some dumbass of a reason happens to be in there....

this made me laugh so hard :D

MaTe

There is another option with DNA - cloning - resurrection. That's will be called Avatar 2: Attack of the Clowns.
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Quote from: Autakuk'Ekong on January 31, 2010, 08:42:12 AM
Well, when the humans were leaving at the end of the movie, I could have SWORN I saw Quaritch's body on the stretcher being wheeled out.  With that said, i don't know what that might mean.

If he does return, I would bet that you would only see him in battle, because honestly, he took over the whole operation near the end.

Remember, in the movie, though Selfridge said that "killing the indigenous sounds bad..." he gave Jake the opportunity to convince them to move when Quaritch was rolling to destroy Hometree.  I would bet that based on that, he lost a lot of his power over the operation, and Quaritch took over (drawn from what was seen on-screen and what was in the script).  With that said, no one's giving him the position he had when there.

Over all, I would not be surprised if he returns.  However, I WOULD be surprised if his role were as major as it was in this movie.

If he returns, I'll bet it would be another "last-battle" between Jake and Quaritch, and that's when we'll see Quaritch again for the first time.

As to the "civil war," we'll see a lot of the culture just by experiencing it: Neytiri's not going to be teaching Jake much more.  But there must be customs that would happen with conflict between the tribes.

EDIT: Here's the main reason why I really believe Quaritch will be back: http://avatar2movie.blogspot.com/2010/01/avatar-2-spoilers-theres-more-coming.html

He was also impaled by a few arrows which I believe are tipped with a highly deadly poison.

Quaritch is dead, it makes no sense to bring him back. I would prefer Avatar to evolve story wise and not become another cheesy extended movies series.
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I don't think Cameron has the intention of making prequels, or extending an already-made movie (excluding extended-version dvds).  I never said that I would LIKE Quaritch to come back, but there's the possibility.

Besides, we are talking about James Cameron: he would find a way to make it work.


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ShadowedSin

I never inferred you wanted, it, I am however pointing out that characters in Avatar seem to stay dead. If there is anyone they should bring back it is Trudy!
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Yeah, maybe.

I mean, to me, death is death, but I'm not in Cameron's mind.  Besides, this is the RDA we are talking about, in 2154.


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Yeah, but going Cheesy with something loses the artist bent to it.
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We'll see what Cameron does.  I'm not counting Quaritch out completely, but we'll see what happens...

Had a thought while typing... in the "spoiler" Lang says that the quote is now "Nothing's over when I got DNA," or something like that.

Quaritch in a Avatar body that, through more technological advancement, doesn't need Quaritch's living human body to drive it (in other words, they re-birth Quaritch in a Na'vi body)?


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