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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2015, 05:25:33 am »
Tam, irayo ma mesmukan oeyä :) I used "*pepìm",  although I know it's wrong, but yeah...
Assuming the proposed *län would be accepted and approved, it'd maybe become *lämpxìm, so *pelämpxìm, kefyak? ... I'd like that ^^
But would *lämpxìm make even sense? What would it mean? Amount of times?

Our should I just go with Alori / Krrìri pìmtxan/hìmtxanpe? Doesn't feel right...
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2015, 08:02:51 am »
Pum is repeater of previously mentioned word, to avoid repeating.
Nope. I mentioned that pum refers to a same "type" but not the same thing (case for tsa- or fì'u), or as Kemaweyan wrote: another instance of a thing.
The old mistake that pum = possessive is the misintrepration of mine in the sentence, where pum appeared the first time, mine is a contraction of my+one.

But yeah, repetition is the mother of learning. ;)
Note that I wrote previously mentioned word, not instance - what is not the same :) But yeah, your explanation is of course correct and better, so applause for you :)

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But would *lämpxìm make even sense? What would it mean? Amount of times?
If we compare it with other similar words:
- sloa/snep (wide/narrow) -> slosnep - width
- tsawl/hì'i (big/small) ->tsawlhì' - size
- flì/nutx (thick/thin) -> flìnutx - thickness
then:
län/pxìm (seldom/often) -> lämpxìm - frequency of occurence, frequency

any better idea?
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2015, 11:19:45 am »
Fyape fko pivlltxe nìNa'vi san I don't know how to draw that thing sìk nìmun? Tswolänga' oe...  ??? San ke omum oel futa fyape wiveyn tsa'ut sìk, srak?

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2015, 12:01:49 pm »
Hmm, good question... To me the construction omum futa fyape sounds strange. I'd leave the indirect question out and say ke omum oel fya'ot a weyn tsa'ut (I don't know the way to draw that thing).
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2015, 12:04:40 pm »
Irayo seiyi nìtxan oe ngar, ma Wllìm  :D :D :D

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2015, 12:12:19 pm »
Hmm, good question... To me the construction omum futa fyape sounds strange. I'd leave the indirect question out and say ke omum oel fya'ot a weyn tsa'ut (I don't know the way to draw that thing).
I approve. This or pefya fkol weyn tsat.

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2015, 12:48:13 pm »
Hmm, good question... To me the construction omum futa fyape sounds strange. I'd leave the indirect question out and say ke omum oel fya'ot a weyn tsa'ut (I don't know the way to draw that thing).
I would go with Oel ke omum teyngta pefya fkol weyn tsat (Oel ke omum tì'eyngit a pefya fkol weyn tsat).
Red part is mandatory, omitting it is mistake (missing object in main clause). Version with ...fya'ot a pefya.... is probably possible too, but two fya'o based words looks not well.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2015, 06:33:39 pm »
Tse, I have added a few new links to the OP like the audio chat thread or a link to the LN wiki.
I'll add more useful stuff when I find some. But now, I want to fix a little bug in the OP... Fixed.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2015, 10:56:47 am »
Ììììì.... txoa, I don't know wherelse to post this and I don't wanna open a new topic just for this... ^^

Before finishing the newest page, I'm stuck on 2 little phrases. Wondering whether they are correct or not...

Yeah, Spoiler-Alert hrhrh ;D

Any help is much appreciated!!

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2015, 11:13:33 am »

The first one is fine.

For the second, I’d say, furia (ngal) vewng XYZ-it kllframo’/kllfrolo’ nga. I’d drop the first nga since it’s in a subordinate clause and the subject doesn’t change.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2015, 11:18:17 am »
Ngat tsun mivong fkol frakrr, ma Plumpsì ;D Irayo!!!

The only problem is... the second sentence is way too long. 1 - 3 words maximum... :/ Ha...

"Kllframo' nga!" ? "(pol) mamong ngat!" ?

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2015, 11:42:49 am »
Ngat tsun mivong fkol frakrr, ma Plumpsì ;D Irayo!!!

Oel fìtsengit tok nì’aw fte kìte’e sivi ;)

The only problem is... the second sentence is way too long. 1 - 3 words maximum... :/ Ha...

"Kllframo' nga!" ? "(pol) mamong ngat!" ?

Tsari kllframo’ nga! :-\
I still think that it’s somehow necessary to say that you were responsible ‘for s.t.’  :-\ But I may be wrong.

(pol) mamong ngat! - “He/She relied on you!”

Yeah that would do.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2015, 11:44:18 am »
Irayo seiyi nìtxan!!! ;) :) :D

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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2015, 07:59:39 am »

The first one is fine.
Small nitpicking on first sentence:
Nga lu tsmuke akoak nì'ul! (no space in a koak) -> YOU are older sister!
If space is preferred: Nga lu tsmuke a koak lu nì'ul! -> YOU are sister who is older!

For second, I'd propose also: Lolu tson ngeyä! -> it was YOUR duty!
Choose what you like :)
« Last Edit: December 24, 2015, 08:42:38 am by Blue Elf »
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2015, 08:28:50 am »
Irayo nìtxan for your feedback, ma BlueElf!!

Lolu tson ngeyä is also a really good way to express this. Maybe I'll change it :D

About your other feedback, I'm a bit uncertain, though. I had to think about Vawmataw's old nick name, ... a Kepekmì. a lu Kepekmì seems more correct, but the short version without lu is correct, too, no? I just skipped on that lu here, too. Was that wrong?  ???

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2015, 08:53:16 am »
Irayo nìtxan for your feedback, ma BlueElf!!

Lolu tson ngeyä is also a really good way to express this. Maybe I'll change it :D

About your other feedback, I'm a bit uncertain, though. I had to think about Vawmataw's old nick name, ... a Kepekmì. a lu Kepekmì seems more correct, but the short version without lu is correct, too, no? I just skipped on that lu here, too. Was that wrong?  ???
I'll try to explain: difference is in adposition.
Na'vi a Kepekmì is of course fully correct - Kepek is noun connected to another noun (Na'vi) using adposition (mì). Such connection requires usage of attributive particle a.
But your sentence doesn't connect nouns using adposition - tsmuke is noun, koak is adjective - so a is attached directly to adjective, pointing to noun where it connects - or you should add lu to form attributive subordinate sentence connected to noun.
Maybe your original version is not so bad, but for me looks a little strange. I'd like to know what Plumps think about it - I believe he answers here.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2015, 09:05:45 am »
He has answered here already, yes, that's why I'm so confused now  :-\
But your feedback/explanation makes perfect sense, so I'm confused even more, lol. ;D

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« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2015, 04:25:59 pm »
He has answered here already, yes, that's why I'm so confused now  :-\
But your feedback/explanation makes perfect sense, so I'm confused even more, lol. ;D
I thought more about this, and IMO there's no space for confusion :)
Plumps probably expects unspoken lu in that sentence (Nga lu tsmuke a koak (lu) nì'ul), as it could be assumed there from context. But I think it is not good example for omitting it. I believe in speech 100% of people will assume meaning as Nga lu tsmuke akoak nì'ul - as it is hard to speak/hear that space between a and koak and because tsmuke akoak is correct usage of adjective connected to noun. So in speech it doesn't matter, problem can appear only in written form.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (Please ask your questions here) - II
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2015, 04:29:38 pm »
Ngaytxoa… Ke tsolerängi tsat oel  :-X
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« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2015, 04:36:31 pm »
Ngaytxoa… Ke tsolerängi tsat oel  :-X
Tsmukanur alu Blue Elf tìyawr … ftxey tsmuke akoak nì’ul, ftxey tsmuke a lu koak nì’ul.


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Mawey, ma tsmukan - these small single letter/space "problems" are easy to overlook. It happens always and to everyone. Neither I am exception ;D
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