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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #120 on: January 01, 2010, 11:23:13 pm »
I think I found them...yes, I looked at them.
One of the more experienced speakers on this site (I don't remember their name off the top of my head; it was in Na'vi, I think...) recommended this site. http://www.talknavi.com/videos/load/recent It helps. They also said that they were in the process of making a youtube channel, as well. I'd check into those, too.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #121 on: January 02, 2010, 01:05:03 am »
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« Reply #122 on: January 02, 2010, 02:53:37 am »
I raelly recommend talknavi.com to find some useful audio and video files. :) And, from what I know, we already have a youtube channel.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #123 on: January 02, 2010, 07:50:13 am »
When I make a verb into a noun and want to make the noun female or male, where do I have to place the "-an" or "-è" suffix?
Example:
taron = to hunt
taronyu = hunter

have I to write "taronyuan" for a male hunter or "taronanyu"? Or is that not possible?

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« Reply #124 on: January 02, 2010, 08:10:17 am »
it would be "taronyuan". you have made verb 'taron' into a noun 'taronyu' which you want to define further as the 'male hunter', so you add the "-an" suffix to the word "taronyu".
taronyu is the hunter, taron is to hunt. if you add 'an' to 'taron', and then add 'yu' it would mean that you defined the verb as male, and then turned it into a noun, which hasn't got any sense:)
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #125 on: January 02, 2010, 02:24:54 pm »
it would be "taronyuan". you have made verb 'taron' into a noun 'taronyu' which you want to define further as the 'male hunter', so you add the "-an" suffix to the word "taronyu".
taronyu is the hunter, taron is to hunt. if you add 'an' to 'taron', and then add 'yu' it would mean that you defined the verb as male, and then turned it into a noun, which hasn't got any sense:)

ok, that does make sense to me, but isnt there a rule against doing that? the consonants to vowel and vowels to consonant rule? If a noun ends in a vowel, it will take the suffix that begins with a consonant. If a noun ends in a consonant, it will take the suffix that begins with a vowel.

confusion? ???
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #126 on: January 02, 2010, 02:55:32 pm »
ok, that does make sense to me, but isnt there a rule against doing that? the consonants to vowel and vowels to consonant rule? If a noun ends in a vowel, it will take the suffix that begins with a consonant. If a noun ends in a consonant, it will take the suffix that begins with a vowel.

confusion? ???

There are definitely different forms of the noun case particles depending on the last syllable of the word in question, but we haven't seen anything yet that indicates that the male and female suffixes undergo the same process.

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« Reply #127 on: January 02, 2010, 08:33:04 pm »
Can anyone teach me how to form simple sentences, like 'Hi, how are you?'. Also, if I want to convert any English sentences into Na'vi language, do I convert word for word?

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #128 on: January 02, 2010, 09:35:16 pm »
Irayo ma Oel ngati kameie Eywa

Can you say that, or would it just be Irayo, oel ngati kameie Eyaw.

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Is it possible to say Irayo, oel ngati kameie ma Eywa???




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Hi, how are you is:

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #129 on: January 03, 2010, 02:44:39 am »
Can anyone teach me how to form simple sentences, like 'Hi, how are you?'. Also, if I want to convert any English sentences into Na'vi language, do I convert word for word?

As Above;

Kaltxi, ngaru lu fpom srak?
hello, you-DATIVE is well.being yes/no?
Hello, how are you?

As you can see here, you is in the dative case, normally reserved for the indirect object (like - john gave a book to mary.) In English, putting you in the dative case here makes no sense, but in Na'vi, it's more literally: "Hello, Is well-being (given) to you?"

This is a bit confusing. The point I would like to make is that, no, you can't convert word for word. You've got to understand the Na'vi grammar.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #130 on: January 03, 2010, 03:37:01 am »
Irayo ma Oel ngati kameie Eywa

Can you say that, or would it just be Irayo, oel ngati kameie Eyaw.


OR

Is it possible to say Irayo, oel ngati kameie ma Eywa???




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Hi, how are you is:

Kaltxi, ngaru lu fpom srak?

the dustywhite's example is wrong (irayo ma oel ngati kameie eywa) because vocative case must stand in front of a word that is in the vocative. in this case it is indicated that it is "oe" (which would translate to "hey, me") which makes whole sentence pretty messed up and incorrect grammatically. also, the word eywa just hangs in there without any role in the sentence.

irayo, oel ngati kameie ma eywa - it is possible to say this, but it would translate as "thanks, i see you, eywa" (you are directly adressing eywa, you are telling eywa that you see her). if that is what you wanted to say, than the answer is yes.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #131 on: January 03, 2010, 07:50:22 am »
So does that mean I have to start from scratch, like learing the most basic words of Na'vi as a start? And is it possible to replace a word or two in a sentence when we are speaking in English (Eg. Yes, I would like to have that. > Srane, Oe would pxel to [English 'to'] have that.) Sorry if it sounds too weird...

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #132 on: January 03, 2010, 09:14:27 am »
yes, it means that you pretty much have to 'empty your glass' of english-based idiomic constructions, grammar and phonetics, and simply start from the scratch.

as for the second part, i am not sure that i understand what you're trying to say...i mean, if you say half of a sentence in na'vi and the other half in english, it would probably turn out as a idiomic hybrid that would be incorrect in both languages. it is best that you try to say everything in na'vi, even if we don't know the particular word in question, you just have to think of another, and at the same time more 'na'vi' way to construct it. it is a good practice, if nothing.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #133 on: January 03, 2010, 10:09:14 am »
Grammar

* Is the word order completely free?
Well, there is no informations about the ideal structure of a sentence yet. So the word order is free yes. Though the word order may vary the meaning.

When Paul Frommer was confronted with this question in the language log he answered:
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Your point about free word order is very well taken. You’re absolutely right: by “free” I meant, as you said, “not syntactic”; discourse issues will affect the choice of word order. Na’vi is still a work in progress, and up to now I’ve been making some word order decisions on the basis of “feel”—no doubt influenced by the languages I know, given that I don’t have native speaker intuition. (Wish I could find someone who does.) Codifying the rules of discourse is something I’m working on.

So the word order is, as he says, definitely not completely free.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #134 on: January 03, 2010, 10:14:47 am »

So the word order is, as he says, definitely not completely free.

Yes, you are right. But we don't have any clear, precise, complete information about the way it will be structured in the future. :)
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #135 on: January 03, 2010, 01:37:25 pm »
Irayo ma Oel ngati kameie Eywa

Can you say that, or would it just be Irayo, oel ngati kameie Eyaw.


OR

Is it possible to say Irayo, oel ngati kameie ma Eywa???




@Leo0987

Hi, how are you is:

Kaltxi, ngaru lu fpom srak?

the dustywhite's example is wrong (irayo ma oel ngati kameie eywa) because vocative case must stand in front of a word that is in the vocative. in this case it is indicated that it is "oe" (which would translate to "hey, me") which makes whole sentence pretty messed up and incorrect grammatically. also, the word eywa just hangs in there without any role in the sentence.

irayo, oel ngati kameie ma eywa - it is possible to say this, but it would translate as "thanks, i see you, eywa" (you are directly adressing eywa, you are telling eywa that you see her). if that is what you wanted to say, than the answer is yes.


"oel ngati kameie eywa" is the persons username that they were speaking to :P

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #136 on: January 03, 2010, 01:45:34 pm »
oh:)
in that case, dustywhite is correct:) maybe to put it in the brackets or something for stupid doolio to perceive:D
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #137 on: January 03, 2010, 01:56:45 pm »
oh:)
in that case, dustywhite is correct:) maybe to put it in the brackets or something for stupid doolio to perceive:D

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #138 on: January 03, 2010, 04:56:13 pm »
noo, you're doing good, i've been serious about me being stupid for not looking the posts before.
in fact, you are a really fast learner.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #139 on: January 03, 2010, 06:40:21 pm »
Kaltxì.

I made a very simple sentence and I was wondering if it stands up to actual grammar.

Nga-ri tseo-yu lu.

The intent is to say "You are an artist."  Does it work?

Irayo.

 

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