[For Beginners] FAQ

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Taronyu Leleioae

#1340
Although you have been away longer than I've been here, welcome back!

A few of the resources have been updated or improved.  Certainly you have the dictionaries which are kept up to date.  Na'vi in a Nutshell is still helpful but is a bit out of date and selective.  However I think it's still a great learning resource especially as a refresher.  Mine has scribble marks all over my copy with notes and updates.

Vocabulary wise, Memrise is your best answer to get you back into re-learning words.  I would recommend three courses to start.  One is the Na'vi adpositions course.  The second is the Na'vi Infixes (to verbs).  And the third is the comprehensive All Na'vi Vocabulary.  (leNa'vi is the old one aka obsolete).  Courses are *here*.  

Then start writing sentences and posting them in the Beginner's section for guidance and helpful suggestions!

Mr. HelloBye

How does one ask if someone likes doing something? Also, how does one say "Your welcome" and other pleasantries?

Tìtstewan

Kempe sunu ngar?
What do you like to do?

zola'u nìprrte' Welcome
kea tìkin no need for thanks
nìprrte' gladly / I did it with pleasure
oe irayo si ngaru I give thanks to you / thank you
seykxel sì nitram congratulations

etc.

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Mr. HelloBye

Irayo, but for the first thing I meant how one would ask "Do you like hunting?"

Tìtstewan


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Mr. HelloBye

How would you say good luck with 'verb'? What about if the verb is a 'si' verb? (Don't mean to be a pest, I just don't see these things in 'Na'vi in a Nutshell', if there is some better document, please guide me to it, Irayo)

Swoka Tsamsiyu

Kaltxì ma frapo,
Even I can tell you that :D (I'm a total beginner btw)
Etrìpa syayvi
Good luck (to you)

Blue Elf

Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 04:13:49 PM
How would you say good luck with 'verb'? What about if the verb is a 'si' verb? (Don't mean to be a pest, I just don't see these things in 'Na'vi in a Nutshell', if there is some better document, please guide me to it, Irayo)
To say "good luck" we use etrìpa syayvi (it's idiom, lit: favourable luck). There's no need for verb, but you can say "Have good luck":

Ngaru livu etrìpa syayvi -> may you have good luck (In Na'vi, there no "to have" verb, it is replaced by "lu" + dative)

I don't understand your question about si verb - what you need to know?
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Mr. HelloBye

Like the verb for playing music 'pamtseo si', What if you wanted to say, Good luck playing (that) music!
What's the <iv> infix for?

Alyara Arati

#1349
If you want to say "good luck with your hunting" the expression is a little more complicated.  I would use topical here with the noun form of the verb.

Tìtaron-ìri ngeyä, etrìpa syayvi.  Regarding your hunting, good luck.

With a si verb it is actually a little simpler, because the first part of the si verb is the noun form.  For example, pamrel si is to write, so pamrel is writing.

Pamrel-ìri, etrìpa syayvi.  Regarding the writing, good luck.

Is that helpful?

Edit:  Pamtseo-ri, etrìpa syayvi.  As for the playing (of music), good luck.
Pamtseo-ri tsa-tìrol-ä, etrìpa syayvi.  As for playing of that song, good luck.
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Vawmataw

Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
What if you wanted to say, Good luck playing (that) music!
Furia tsapamtseo si livu ngaru etrìpa syayvi!

Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
What's the <iv> infix for?
Such a wish.
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Tìtstewan


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Alyara Arati

Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on April 27, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
What if you wanted to say, Good luck playing (that) music!
Furia tsapamtseo si livu ngaru etrìpa syayvi!

As you can see, often there is more than one way to say something. ;D
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Blue Elf

Quote from: Tìtstewan on April 27, 2013, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on April 27, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
What's the <iv> infix for?
Such a wish.
Or if a verb is followed by a modal verb.
-> Oe tsun tswivayon I can fly.

There's more usages of <iv>, usually triggered by grammar rules:
- modal constructions
- after fte, fteke
- future action with sweylu
- unattainable wish with nìrangal
- general wish
If you are brave enough, try to look into Horen leNa'vi :)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Mr. HelloBye

Is it different if you wanted to sarcastically say "good luck with that!", or is it just "Tsakem, etrìpa syayvi"?

Mr. HelloBye

Quote from: Tìtstewan on April 27, 2013, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on April 27, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
What's the <iv> infix for?
Such a wish.
Or if a verb is followed by a modal verb.
-> Oe tsun tswivayon I can fly.

What do you mean about 'modal verb'? And by such a wish, do you mean Superlative?

Tìtstewan

Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 05:43:12 PM
Is it different if you wanted to sarcastically say "good luck with that!", or is it just "Tsakem, etrìpa syayvi"?
Tsakemìri, etrìpa syayvi! Good luck with that!

Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: Tìtstewan on April 27, 2013, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on April 27, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
What's the <iv> infix for?
Such a wish.
Or if a verb is followed by a modal verb.
-> Oe tsun tswivayon I can fly.

What do you mean about 'modal verb'? And by such a wish, do you mean Superlative?
Modal verb is a verb used to express tense, aspect, modality, voice, emphasis, etc.
Below are some english modal verbs:
can
shall
will
must
may
etc.


Quote from: Mr. HelloBye on April 27, 2013, 05:43:12 PM
And by such a wish, do you mean Superlative?
No, the <iv> infix has nothing to do with superlative.

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Mr. HelloBye

#1357
Well, what does <iv> do exactly then? Or for that matter, what about <ìyev>, <iyev>, <imv>, <iv>, <ilv>, and <irv> all mean? And a good example of a use of this infix from the movie would be "skiva'a"

Tìtstewan

Blue Elf (and other) has already posted the use of the <iv> infix:
Quote from: Blue Elf on April 27, 2013, 04:54:46 PM
There's more usages of <iv>, usually triggered by grammar rules:
- modal constructions
- after fte, fteke
- future action with sweylu
- unattainable wish with nìrangal
- general wish

If you are brave enough, try to look into Horen leNa'vi :)

Edit:


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Mr. HelloBye

This is awesome! Where did you find it?!
Also, is the workbook by Skxawng sufficient to get me fairly advanced? Or are there other more complete things than projectngaynume.com and more organised than Na'viteri (because it's a blog, so it's chronological)? I ask this because reading from the Dictionary and Horen isn't a very good way to learn a language, I've learned a language before, that's how I know (German, with some bits of others like Spanish and Russian). Irayo, and I hope that you guys don't write me off as a pest.