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Offline MonocleO.Q

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2009, 09:05:41 pm »
Na'vinglish?
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2009, 09:11:23 pm »
That works for me.


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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2009, 09:18:39 pm »
What information do we have on making things negative? Like, for example if I wanted to say not pretty. Anything? somethingsomething sevin.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2009, 09:48:33 pm »
is there anything in the works for a written language?

a language as beautiful as this shouldn't be restricted to romanic symbols

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2009, 10:03:05 pm »
Huh, and for advanced aytute Na'vinglish turns into Na'vinglisi :)
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2009, 10:05:55 pm »
Exactly.


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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2009, 12:33:12 am »
I'm sorry for posting so much on this thread, and I'm even more sorry that I even have to ask this as everyone else seems to know it: What exactly does "ma" mean? I can't seem to find it explained anywhere. And I feel very much like an 'eveng now.


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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2009, 12:40:11 am »
After scouring the forums a bit, I found this:
http://forum.learnnavi.org/index.php?topic=221.msg4779#msg4779

Judging from this,"ma" is just a perfunctory greeting, almost. Like a way to address someone, correct?


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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2009, 02:39:12 am »

Judging from this,"ma" is just a perfunctory greeting, almost. Like a way to address someone, correct?

Right. :)

For the negative construction, we use the word "ke" at the beginning of the sentence or before the word that you wanna make negative. But I'll ask someone about this.

*updated the first post.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2009, 02:46:36 am by Eywa mokriyä »
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2009, 07:23:09 am »
What does the suffix "yä" mean?
As an Example: oe pxunyä
oe = I
pxun = arm

Is it with the suffix "yä" = "the arm from me"?

And what does it mean if I use the "yä" at the end of a pronoun? Is it then:
ngayä = yours
oeyä = mine

Has then
"oe pxunyä" the same meaning as "oeyä pxun"?

sorry if this is a really stupid question  ???
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Offline Eywayä mokri

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2009, 07:38:45 am »
"yä" is the genitive suffix. It is meant to show that something belongs to someone or something. This is the actual 's in english.

I don't have time to answer fully right now, I'll add more as soon as possible.

Of if anyone wanna complete this before me, feel free to it. ;)
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2009, 08:04:57 am »
More complete answer added to the first page. :)
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2009, 12:32:49 pm »
*I'm not sure if this post is in the right sub-cat, but I'm new and haven't had time to look at every section of these forums yet, I'm just learning along the way so if it isn't, can a Moderator please move it to the right place to help clean up this thread.*
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* Why does an "l" go after oe?
-l is the ergative case suffix. This is placed after the subject in transitive verb sentences, as -ti is placed after the object in the same sentence (nga-ti; nga means you, and -ti is the accusative suffix.)

I somewhat understand why they use "-l" and "-ti" in the ergative/accusative sense, but only really in this simple sentence. If someone could give me another example or has a more in-depth theory on this please explain. (srry if its a dumb question)  

BECAUSE......

The way I'm looking at it is: Oel ngati kameie: Oe, as a thing doing the transitive verb (Kame), and the accusative "-ti" on the Nga or "accused of being looked at by the ergative subject" and thats why you use "-l" on the Oe ???
 
Also, since the word placement is pretty free, what would change, and how would the meaning change if i were to say Ngati Kame Oel, or you are being looked at (kame) by me. Would the "-ti" and the "-l" still have the ergative and accusative meaning in this order?

So would this be right: Oel ngait steftxaw or  IERG YouACC Examine  ????

If this made any sense to you please tell me if I'm right.

Like i said, if someone can clarify please do and give another example if possible. Im pretty new so try to gimme a break but I am a perfectionist and do love having a TRUE understanding of things when I want to learn them.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2009, 01:34:24 pm »
as far as i know...

Oel ngati kameie
Ngati oel kameie
Kameie ngati oel
etc

...all have the same meaning. its when you change the sufixes around that the meaning changes...

Oe-ti nga-l kameie
I-ACC you-ERG kameie
You see me

hope that helps even in the slightest.  :)
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2009, 01:43:10 pm »
if you have ergative and accusative suffix (subject and object, respectively), it is pretty clear who 'does', and who 'is being done', by looking at the words alone. so, yes, you could do whatever you like with the word order without any possible harm to the meaning of the sentence.

you can do that in all the languages that have different forms for subject and object, because then, subj and obj are not defined by their place in a sentence. it may, in some languages, and in some examples, sound odd, but it will be grammatically correct.

in english there is no particular form for subj or obj so they are defined by word order - john sees jack. in na'vi, they would be given their respective suffixes (john-l and jack-ti), so you could do whatever you want with the word order.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2009, 01:50:04 pm »
How should I add this qestion/answer to the faq....lol

Can someone help me?^^
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2009, 01:51:44 pm »
How should I add this qestion/answer to the faq....lol

Can someone help me?^^

the question is: Does word order matter in Na'vi?

The answer is given above.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2009, 01:54:21 pm »
Well that question is already in the faq, but not really in the same way.

I think am gonna make a question about the suffixes order.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2009, 02:04:27 pm »
what purpose does the suffix "-ri" have? what does it mean?
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2009, 02:08:00 pm »
what purpose does the suffix "-ri" have? what does it mean?

Ahhhhh no....not this one please! ^^

We have talked so much about it, it's really hard to explain. :) I wouldn't be able to I think.

Well let's try...

As said in the pocket guide, the topic marker (-ri) is used to introduce the topic of the clause. It is used to gather focus from a larger clause onto a single entity.
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