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Taronyu

Quote from: Eren on January 12, 2010, 02:19:31 PM
Oeng ayikranyäìlä Iknimayane yom kivä.

Oeng ay-ikran<yä>ìlä Iknimaya-ne yom k<iv>ä.
we [PLU]-ikran-[GEN]-via Iknimaya-to eat go[LAUD].

Oeng is inclusive. The genitive does not mean by. Use fa for that. <iv> is the subjunctive, not the laudative marker. What were you trying to say?

Quote from: Txon Tsyal on January 12, 2010, 02:22:08 PM
Nì hasn't been mentioned in any gramar document i found (and I found quite a few).

When a sentence has nìNa'vi in it does it mean that someone did something like a Na'vi?

I read on this forum that it changes adjectives from lets say easy to easily.

Why is it added to Na'vi then (witch is a noun)?

Nì- makes a word into an adverb. It's been mentioned in other grammars, I am sure.  In any case, it is well known and attested.

Quote from: ku'wɛ faw on January 12, 2010, 02:24:47 PM
I'm sorry but being new to this I have a few questions.
1: Where is the language be confirmed at? (are you asking the creator?)
2:I understand the rr trill but ll just wont see to come out as a trill for me. could you make a voice note to better help me understand what it sounds like?
3:Would learning the speak Lat-tin help in speaking Na'vi? I notice a few Lat-tin references in the hand book.
4:when you finish your Na'vi dictionary online are you going to print it and sell copy? ( ;D I would like the have one)
5:So far I haven't fond a complete sentence in Na'vi, a sentence and it's meaning would help me and a few friends of mine under stand how a sentence build would look and where to put words.
6:As I said in the last question, There aren't and full sentences so I was wondering. when you say a sentence  how do you know what word will be one word and douse the depth of the sound have anything to do with pronouncing?

That's guys, I love what your doing here and I hope it continues to prosper.

1. The create posted a blog. Here. We also have the wiki, pretty much certified by Frommer, and a lot of quotes to draw from.
2. /ll/ is not trilled. It is merely syllabic, like in plltxe. It takes the place of a vowel.
3. No. Latin won't help, except perhaps to clarify grammatical terms.
4. No, we won't. That's serious copyright infringement.
5. Look around the beginners section. There are a ton.
6. I'm not sure what you mean here...

tsmukan ftu Eywa

Ok, thanks. well I thought in the movie when he was being critiqued on Na'vi He would say a word the same way but deeper. So I was making certain that there were not different meanings based on how deep the sound was. If you don't understand than I'll just go see the movie again.
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

Eren

Quote from: Taronyu on January 12, 2010, 02:34:02 PM
Quote from: Eren on January 12, 2010, 02:19:31 PM
Oeng ayikranyäìlä Iknimayane yom kivä.

Oeng ay-ikran<yä>ìlä Iknimaya-ne yom k<iv>ä.
we [PLU]-ikran-[GEN]-via Iknimaya-to eat go[LAUD].

Oeng is inclusive. The genitive does not mean by. Use fa for that. <iv> is the subjunctive, not the laudative marker. What were you trying to say?

I tried to say "Let's go Iknimaya to eat, by our ikrans."

Oeng (you and me)
ayikranyäìlä (via our ikrans)
Iknimayane (to Iknimaya)
yom (eat)
kivä (go, subjunctive for [let's]).

Taronyu

Quote from: ku'wɛ faw on January 12, 2010, 02:42:42 PM
Ok, thanks. well I thought in the movie when he was being critiqued on Na'vi He would say a word the same way but deeper. So I was making certain that there were not different meanings based on how deep the sound was. If you don't understand than I'll just go see the movie again.

I don't understand your terminology is all. Do you mean nari? Because he is actually messing up the pronunciation there, by using a normal american r and not a tap. See the pronunciation place for more.

Quote from: Eren on January 12, 2010, 02:44:39 PM
I tried to say "Let's go Iknimaya to eat, by our ikrans."

Oeng (you and me)
ayikranyäìlä (via our ikrans)
Ikinmayane (to Iknimaya)
yom (eat)
kivä (go, subjunctive for [let's]).

Right.

Oe-ng fa ay-ikranfa Iknimaya-ne y<iv>om kä.
I-we by means of PLU-Ikran Iknimaya-Towards eat-SUBJ go.
Let's go by Ikran to iknimaya to eat.

Right. I'm not sure that you can use the subjunctive like that, to show purpose. We're not even sure that <iv> is subjunctive, it might be just infinitive. Iknimaya isn't the name for the place, but for the ceremony of becoming one of the Na'vi. Fa is much better, as the genitive cannot be used as an instrumental case.

tsmukan ftu Eywa

I've heard lots about the skype thing going on. If I wanted to hear a few sentences could Is it open for every one?
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

Eren

Quote from: Taronyu on January 12, 2010, 02:49:14 PM

Right.

Oe-ng fa ay-ikranfa Iknimaya-ne y<iv>om kä.
I-we by means of PLU-Ikran Iknimaya-Towards eat-SUBJ go.
Let's go by Ikran to iknimaya to eat.

Right. I'm not sure that you can use the subjunctive like that, to show purpose. We're not even sure that <iv> is subjunctive, it might be just infinitive. Iknimaya isn't the name for the place, but for the ceremony of becoming one of the Na'vi. Fa is much better, as the genitive cannot be used as an instrumental case.


In the pocket-guide dictionary, Iknimaya is described as "Thundering rocks, Stairway to Heaven (floating mountains)". I thought it was the name for floating mountains where they climbed up to the ikrans' place.

I felt like a child asking too many questions, thanks for replying patiently.  :)

tsmukan ftu Eywa

NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

Eren

Quote from: ku'wɛ faw on January 12, 2010, 03:33:37 PM
How would you say "I'm learning Na'vi"?

Oe-l n<er>ume Na'vi-t.
I-[ERG] learn[imperfect, not finished, still learning] Na'vi-[ACC]

I suppose.

Could be wrong though, but trying and comparing to the correct teaches much.


kyndylan

I have a question about a prefix.

Perhaps I misheard, but I would swear that, in the movie, I heard Tsu' tey say the words ma'tsmukan and ma'tsmukame, and Neytiri say the words ma'sempul amd ma'sa'nok.

Is ma- a prefix not in the guide which means my (possessive)?

Thanks,
kyndylan

Kìte'eyä Aungia

Ma marks the addressee of a statement (the vocative case).

Kaltxì ma aysmúkan sì aysmuké

Hello brothers and sisters

Taronyu

Quote from: Eren on January 12, 2010, 03:02:19 PM
Quote from: Taronyu on January 12, 2010, 02:49:14 PM
Iknimaya isn't the name for the place, but for the ceremony of becoming one of the Na'vi. Fa is much better, as the genitive cannot be used as an instrumental case.
In the pocket-guide dictionary, Iknimaya is described as "Thundering rocks, Stairway to Heaven (floating mountains)". I thought it was the name for floating mountains where they climbed up to the ikrans' place.

I felt like a child asking too many questions, thanks for replying patiently.  :)

If you read the Survival Guide, and the script of the film, it becomes obvious that Iknimaya is the name for the test of going to the Ikran roost. I'm very certain that it isn't the name for the place. I may be wrong, but I really am pretty certain.

tsmukan ftu Eywa

ok, I'm not quite understanding how to translate an English word into Na'vi... or do you thi I should just start the pretranslated word and making sentences right now?
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

tsmukan ftu Eywa

Quote from: ku'wɛ faw on January 12, 2010, 08:10:28 PM
ok, I'm not quite understanding how to translate an English word into Na'vi... or do you think I should just start the pretranslated word and making sentences right now?

ok lol a bit of a typo
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

jaytea

i want to know if someone could go one on one with me about the language

tsmukan ftu Eywa

Quote from: jaytea on January 12, 2010, 08:28:06 PM
i want to know if someone could go one on one with me about the language
That would help me too maybe just post a video/audio file with a few lessons
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

Taronyu

I would highly, and I mean highly, suggest skype for both of you. It's a great way to learn.

Llewxam

kaltxì all, would anyone be kind enough to help me in saying "i see you my beautiful friend" in na'vi? i want to surprise a friend of mine with it. irayo.

Txontaw

#317
I see you beautiful (no word for friend)
Oel ngati asevin kameie
Oe-l nga-ti a-sevin kam<ei>e
I-[ERG] you-[ACC] [ADJ M.]-pretty see<LAUD>

That's how I would do it, not sure if it's completely correct.
"You're not in Kansas anymore. You're on Pandora, Ladies and Gentlemen." - Colonel Quaritch


Llewxam

Quote from: Txontaw on January 13, 2010, 05:49:12 PM
I see you beautiful (no word for friend)
Oel ngati asevin kameie
Oe-l nga-ti a-sevin kam<ei>e
I-[ERG] you-[ACC] [ADJ M.]-pretty see<LAUD>

That's how I would do it, not sure if it's completely correct.
irayo. i was searching for a word for friend but as i couldn't find any, this might just as well impress her just the same. again irayo.

tsmukan ftu Eywa

fpi frapo rutxe rä'ä lonu
For the sake of  everyone please do not let go
=/ am I close... I think it's supposed to be less than this but I'm trying to see it better... help?
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?