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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #320 on: January 13, 2010, 07:37:22 pm »
fpi frapo rutxe rä'ä lonu
For the sake of  everyone please do not let go
=/ am I close... I think it's supposed to be less than this but I'm trying to see it better... help?

I don't know what rä'ä is doing in the lexicon. That's a weird word. I think that ke lonu would work here, but rä'ä certainly does provide a more literal translation.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #321 on: January 13, 2010, 07:41:32 pm »
ok but what meaning douse ke lonu have? I'm memorizing the deff of the words but I wana get it right
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      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #322 on: January 13, 2010, 07:42:00 pm »
I did start to lurk through this thread, but with 22 pages, I think it's just as good if I just spill out some of the questions I've got :) Would be good repitition anyways ^^

I did read the initial post, which answered a few of them, thanks :) At the moment, I just finished reading through the pocket guide (down to the lexicon).

- Is the 'i' in the accusative '-ti' optional?
(In the guide it's written as '-t(i)'. I don't remember if I came across any examples of ACC being only -t though).
- Is there a change in pronunciation of vocals with '´' over it?
(like the feminine marker '-é')
- Is there any rules for actual tension in Na'Vi? Is there tension atall? Or is it just up to the speaker to put it where it feels right?
(Many elements seems to effectively remove the need for actual tension, like 'srak').
- Does the word 'Menga' ("the two of you") exist?
(In the guide, there was no word for 2nd person dual pronoun. I combined 'me-' and 'nga' myself as the logical solution).
- 'Ohe' is a hummiliation of the self when adressing a more important person ('Ngenga'), right?
(Just to clarify :) seemed abit odd if you could go about exalting yourself as 'ohe').

These are my first immediate questions I had along the way. I have more questions, but I got those from reading the more advanced pre-, suf- and infixes first time tonight and need time to put them down.

Oe ayngaru irayo teiìng!

Oe ay-nga-ru irayo t<ei>ìng
I PLU-you-DAT thanks give<LAUD>
"I give you thanks!"
(I just whiffed that up, trial and error ^^)
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #323 on: January 13, 2010, 08:01:24 pm »
could I use tsmukan ftu Eywa as a name or would using Eywa in a name seen more of a religious person's name?
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #324 on: January 13, 2010, 08:04:04 pm »
You can use it, nobody really cares what your name is, as long as it's grammatically correct.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #325 on: January 13, 2010, 08:07:42 pm »
could I use tsmukan ftu Eywa as a name or would using Eywa in a name seen more of a religious person's name?

As for forum names, just get whichever you fancy :) "Brother from (of?) Eywa" seems quite nice. (and there are many others with Eywa in their usernames).
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #326 on: January 13, 2010, 08:18:08 pm »
Yea, I was looking for of but I didn't find it so I went with from so I wouldn't seem like a demigod or something. I also like getting into character when It comes to forums so I wanted to be cretin that a Na'vi could actually have Eywa in there name.. I know they are touchy about the use of Eywa in non spiritual ways.
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #327 on: January 13, 2010, 08:27:02 pm »
Yea, I was looking for of but I didn't find it so I went with from so I wouldn't seem like a demigod or something. I also like getting into character when It comes to forums so I wanted to be certain that a Na'vi could actually have Eywa in there name.. I know they are touchy about the use of Eywa in non spiritual ways.

certain not cretin sorry
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #328 on: January 13, 2010, 08:28:28 pm »
Just use the "modify" button to edit your post instead of double posting.
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #329 on: January 13, 2010, 08:35:28 pm »
ok, my bad just saw that..
NEYTIRI
      I am with you now, Jake. We are mated for
      life.

            JAKE
      We are?

            NEYTIRI
      Yes. It is our way.
         (innocently)
      Oh. I forgot to tell?

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #330 on: January 14, 2010, 03:39:46 am »
Friendly reminder that I posted a list of questions that haven't been answered yet :) (in case people only saw the smaller posts after it).
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #331 on: January 14, 2010, 03:46:34 am »
I did start to lurk through this thread, but with 22 pages, I think it's just as good if I just spill out some of the questions I've got :) Would be good repitition anyways ^^

I did read the initial post, which answered a few of them, thanks :) At the moment, I just finished reading through the pocket guide (down to the lexicon).

- Is the 'i' in the accusative '-ti' optional?
(In the guide it's written as '-t(i)'. I don't remember if I came across any examples of ACC being only -t though).

Yes. We're not sure how they are distributed.

- Is there a change in pronunciation of vocals with '´' over it?
(like the feminine marker '-é')

yes. Stress that syllable. I'm not very good at describing out to stress things.

- Is there any rules for actual tension in Na'Vi? Is there tension atall? Or is it just up to the speaker to put it where it feels right?
(Many elements seems to effectively remove the need for actual tension, like 'srak').

I'm unfamiliar with the term tension. Explanation? Sorry.

- Does the word 'Menga' ("the two of you") exist?
(In the guide, there was no word for 2nd person dual pronoun. I combined 'me-' and 'nga' myself as the logical solution).

It's not attested yet. Frommer may yet give it to us.

- 'Ohe' is a hummiliation of the self when adressing a more important person ('Ngenga'), right?
(Just to clarify :) seemed abit odd if you could go about exalting yourself as 'ohe').

yes.

Oe ayngaru irayo teiìng!

Oe ay-nga-ru irayo t<ei>ìng
I PLU-you-DAT thanks give<LAUD>
"I give you thanks!"
(I just whiffed that up, trial and error ^^)

Pretty sure that I am singular. You need ERG and ACC.

Oe-l nga-ru [ay?]-irayo-ti t<ei>ìng.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #332 on: January 14, 2010, 04:08:42 am »
- Is there any rules for actual tension in Na'Vi? Is there tension atall? Or is it just up to the speaker to put it where it feels right?
(Many elements seems to effectively remove the need for actual tension, like 'srak').

I'm unfamiliar with the term tension. Explanation? Sorry.

Stress, I meant stressing pronunciation, sorry :)

Oe ayngaru irayo teiìng!

Oe ay-nga-ru irayo t<ei>ìng
I PLU-you-DAT thanks give<LAUD>
"I give you thanks!"
(I just whiffed that up, trial and error ^^)

Pretty sure that I am singular. You need ERG and ACC.

Oe-l nga-ru [ay?]-irayo-ti t<ei>ìng.

I meant to translate it "I give you all thanks", so the plural was intentional (and the translation bad).

As for ERG and ACC, this rises another question. Yes, I did see I forgot my -ti both because I wanted to see people's correction, but also because I forgot to ask one thing:

- Are the ERG and ACC transitivities insepperable?
(I have an example; page 5 in the pocket guide about Dative: "Amhul-1 Ralu-ru vul-ti tìng" Here we have the ACC, but not the ERG. The thing suffixing Amhul is the number 1 (for some reason). Even if that was an L, I'd still believe that the correct ERG suffix for Amhul is '-ìl' (ending on a consonant)).
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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #333 on: January 14, 2010, 04:14:36 am »
- Is there any rules for actual tension in Na'Vi? Is there tension atall? Or is it just up to the speaker to put it where it feels right?
(Many elements seems to effectively remove the need for actual tension, like 'srak').

I'm unfamiliar with the term tension. Explanation? Sorry.

Stress, I meant stressing pronunciation, sorry :)

yes, there are, but only for certain words, only as set forth in the somewhat flawed Survival guide lists, only as dictated by Frommer, and only against many of the attested pronunciations in the movie. See my dictionary for stress for words, in the IPA.

Oe ayngaru irayo teiìng!

Oe ay-nga-ru irayo t<ei>ìng
I PLU-you-DAT thanks give<LAUD>
"I give you thanks!"
(I just whiffed that up, trial and error ^^)

Pretty sure that I am singular. You need ERG and ACC.

Oe-l nga-ru [ay?]-irayo-ti t<ei>ìng.

I meant to translate it "I give you all thanks", so the plural was intentional (and the translation bad).

As for ERG and ACC, this rises another question. Yes, I did see I forgot my -ti both because I wanted to see people's correction, but also because I forgot to ask one thing:

- Are the ERG and ACC transitivities insepperable?
(I have an example; page 5 in the pocket guide about Dative: "Amhul-1 Ralu-ru vul-ti tìng" Here we have the ACC, but not the ERG. The thing suffixing Amhul is the number 1 (for some reason). Even if that was an L, I'd still believe that the correct ERG suffix for Amhul is '-ìl' (ending on a consonant)).

No worries. When there is accusative, there can be an optional ergative. When there is an ergative, there must be an accusative. From what we know. It's based on accusative focus, unlike most Indo-european languages.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #334 on: January 14, 2010, 04:22:01 am »
No worries. When there is accusative, there can be an optional ergative. When there is an ergative, there must be an accusative. From what we know. It's based on accusative focus, unlike most Indo-european languages.

So, the '-l' in oel is optional all of the time?
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« Reply #335 on: January 14, 2010, 04:28:47 am »
No worries. When there is accusative, there can be an optional ergative. When there is an ergative, there must be an accusative. From what we know. It's based on accusative focus, unlike most Indo-european languages.

So, the '-l' in oel is optional all of the time?

No. -l is necessary, if there is an accusative [ a direct object of the verb. ]

However, oe-l, as a unit, may be dropped. Take:

Ma sempul, ngati kam<ei>e. -Neytiri, to that dude
Hey dad, you-ACC see-LAUD

She doesn't say sempul-ìl. So we can assume that oe-l, or something else just as obvious, is assumed, but has been dropped.

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Re: [For Beginners] FAQ (please ask your questions here)
« Reply #336 on: January 14, 2010, 05:21:59 am »
No. -l is necessary, if there is an accusative [ a direct object of the verb. ]

However, oe-l, as a unit, may be dropped. Take:

Ma sempul, ngati kam<ei>e. -Neytiri, to that dude
Hey dad, you-ACC see-LAUD

She doesn't say sempul-ìl. So we can assume that oe-l, or something else just as obvious, is assumed, but has been dropped.

"Ma sempul, ngati kameie." effectively means "Father, you are seen.", which makes perfect sense. But how would you explain the example from above? This one:

Amhul-1 Ralu-ru vul-ti tìng
Amhul-ERG Ralu-DAT treebranch-ACC give (I just read that Amhul -is- put in as ERG, but then my question only changes)
Amhul gives Ralu the treebranch

Why does the ERG say '-1' instead of '-ìl'? Is it just a typing error in the guide?
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« Reply #337 on: January 14, 2010, 06:36:32 am »
That's a typo. Those happen in the Pocket Guide. It should be -ìl.

As far as I know, Amhul is only used in the guide word list, and not in any Frommerian examples.

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« Reply #338 on: January 14, 2010, 12:42:07 pm »
this probably isnt the place to put this but seeming as its FAQs how do you put a picture in your signature ??





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this probably isnt the place to put this but seeming as its FAQs how do you put a picture in your signature ??

You take the link to an uploaded picture, and put it in the brackets [ img ] and [ / img ].

 

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