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Ftiafpi

not sure if you guys knew or not but the links to the worksheets don't work.

Txur’Itan

Quote from: Ftiafpi on January 04, 2010, 07:29:50 PM
not sure if you guys knew or not but the links to the worksheets don't work.

Thanks for the heads up.  There was a child thread where changes were made.  I moved over the updated links.  For as long as they remain the same locations and file names, they should be good to go.
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Eywayä mokri

Quote from: Txur'Itan on January 05, 2010, 12:12:21 AM
Quote from: Ftiafpi on January 04, 2010, 07:29:50 PM
not sure if you guys knew or not but the links to the worksheets don't work.

Thanks for the heads up.  There was a child thread where changes were made.  I moved over the updated links.  For as long as they remain the same locations and file names, they should be good to go.

Thanks for this Txur'Itan. :)
°°We don't forget anyone, we only get used to their absence.°°

Nawma 'eveng

For the phrase "I see you", I think I remember Paul Frommer saying something like Kamie-ie-ngatt (Na'vi sp) and not "Oe-l nga-ti kame-ie" in an audio interview.
Here is the audio clip: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121350582 (around 1:25)



Taronyu

Quote from: Eykutan on January 05, 2010, 07:11:41 AM
For the phrase "I see you", I think I remember Paul Frommer saying something like Kamie-ie-ngatt (Na'vi sp) and not "Oe-l nga-ti kame-ie" in an audio interview.
Here is the audio clip: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121350582 (around 1:25)
I hear oel ngati kameie....




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Txur’Itan

Quote from: Eywayä mokri on January 05, 2010, 01:48:22 AM
Quote from: Txur'Itan on January 05, 2010, 12:12:21 AM
Quote from: Ftiafpi on January 04, 2010, 07:29:50 PM
not sure if you guys knew or not but the links to the worksheets don't work.

Thanks for the heads up.  There was a child thread where changes were made.  I moved over the updated links.  For as long as they remain the same locations and file names, they should be good to go.

Thanks for this Txur'Itan. :)

Glad to help where I can.
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Eywayä mokri

°°We don't forget anyone, we only get used to their absence.°°

Mawey Seze

Quote from: Eykutan on January 05, 2010, 07:11:41 AM
For the phrase "I see you", I think I remember Paul Frommer saying something like Kamie-ie-ngatt (Na'vi sp) and not "Oe-l nga-ti kame-ie" in an audio interview.
Here is the audio clip: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121350582 (around 1:25)

He does say that around 1:25, but both are correct.  kame ngat (I think that's how it'd be spelled) is just a short version of oel ngati kameie.

Eywa ngahu

kame ngat is a sentence which directly translated means: see you(accusative), with the
grammatical part: kame = see (NTR, without the usual positive affect -ei) you(accusative)

so the Oel (I, in ergative form) is merely just hidden in the sentence the same way that lu often is in others :)
and

hmmm that would be my best shot at a grammatical explanation to why it is acceptable to use this short form of Oe-l ngati kam-ei-e :)
hope it is usefull to you ^^

Eywa ngahu, oeri ma aysmuktu

avb2008

Quote from: Eywa ngahu on January 06, 2010, 10:48:35 AM
Eywa ngahu, oeri ma aysmuktu
Would it more correct: Eywa ayngahu, oeri ma aysmuktu?

Eight

Quote from: Eywa ngahu on January 06, 2010, 10:48:35 AM
hmmm that would be my best shot at a grammatical explanation to why it is acceptable to use this short form of Oe-l ngati kam-ei-e :)
hope it is usefull to you ^^
Don't know if this helps - but in an effort to make my first post here a little more productive than saying "Hi, I'm Eight and I'm new here" - thought I'd mention that ellipsis is acceptable in many (if not all???) languages in one form or another, particularly when spoken.

Wiki has some good info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_%28linguistics%29

And a good example from a course I did a while back:

Q: What is your name?
A: Eight

"<name>" is not really a valid English sentence, but works because "My name is" is ellipted in the spoken response (the context is clear) to avoid repetition and speed up communication.

I would have been surprised if Na'Vi didn't show any acceptable ellipsis.

Eywa ngahu

Would it more correct: Eywa ayngahu, oeri ma aysmuktu?
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hmm yes i think it would :P. irayo ma smukan ^^
in my first greeting i merely just said: Eywa with you, my brothers,
so it would probably be more correct to use ayngahu (you(pluralis)) :).

kewnya txamew'itan

ma Eywa ngahu, the oeri is unnecessary there but it should be ayngahu if addressing several people.

Ma Eight, It would be surprising if Na'vi didn't to some extent at least but I think topic markers can do this a bit, in the sentence he killed himself with his spear you have three he's but you can probably abbreviate it to he(TOP) kill(past)(reflexive, there is an infix, we just don't know it) spear.
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Eywa ngahu

Quote from: kawng mungeyu on January 07, 2010, 08:34:06 AM
ma Eywa ngahu, the oeri is unnecessary there but it should be ayngahu if addressing several people.

figured the same (should have used ayngahu instead of merely just ngahu, sorry if it was not clear enough in my post :) ).
I used oeri, because I like to say my brothers instead of merely just brothers :) (so it was a conscious choice ^^)

Eight

Quote from: kawng mungeyu on January 07, 2010, 08:34:06 AM
Ma Eight, It would be surprising if Na'vi didn't to some extent at least but I think topic markers can do this a bit
I don't know much (anything really) about Na'vi yet - e.g. I'm still stuck on the "Ma" part of your reply ;D but speaking generally, I believe markers like we have here ofer up a lot of interesting possibilities for aspects such as ellipsis.

I won't claim to be particularly hot on this but I remember one of my books has a chapter on ellipsis and stylistics in Japanese (and a few other languages) which might be worth a read. Will of course post if I find anything that might be of interest in there.

kewnya txamew'itan

Quote from: Eywa ngahu on January 07, 2010, 08:42:17 AM
Quote from: kawng mungeyu on January 07, 2010, 08:34:06 AM
ma Eywa ngahu, the oeri is unnecessary there but it should be ayngahu if addressing several people.

figured the same (should have used ayngahu instead of merely just ngahu, sorry if it was not clear enough in my post :) ).
I used oeri, because I like to say my brothers instead of merely just brothers :) (so it was a conscious choice ^^)

If you wanted to say my brothers you should use the genitive oeyä not the topical, what you've written is as for me brothers.

Quote from: Eight on January 07, 2010, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: kawng mungeyu on January 07, 2010, 08:34:06 AM
Ma Eight, It would be surprising if Na'vi didn't to some extent at least but I think topic markers can do this a bit
I don't know much (anything really) about Na'vi yet - e.g. I'm still stuck on the "Ma" part of your reply ;D but speaking generally, I believe markers like we have here ofer up a lot of interesting possibilities for aspects such as ellipsis.

I won't claim to be particularly hot on this but I remember one of my books has a chapter on ellipsis and stylistics in Japanese (and a few other languages) which might be worth a read. Will of course post if I find anything that might be of interest in there.

ma is like the "@" in twitter, it says that you are addressing the person after it. If I were to say I see you, I could say oel ngati kameie or oel ngati kameie ma Eight if I wanted to make it clear who I was addressing (could be used as a snub).
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hamletä tìralpuseng lena'vi sngolä'eiyi. tìkangkem si awngahu ro
http://bit.ly/53GnAB
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txo nga new oehu pivlltxe nìna'vi, nga oer 'eylan si mì fayspuk (http://bit.ly/bp9fwf)
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Eight

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Quote from: kawng mungeyu on January 07, 2010, 10:20:36 AM
ma is like the "@" in twitter
Hahah, works for me. I figured it must be something on those lines - but wouldn't have realised you could use it in a sentence at this point. Just got my pronouns and lenition rules learnt... still a long way to go. :D

Cheers tsmukan.

(LOL. Just had to correct my spelling of the first Na'vi word I've tried to use. Great start!)