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Offline Jman

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A sign for my door
« on: November 20, 2010, 04:56:13 am »
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My room mate slams the door every once in a while and I wanted to make a little sign, they are learning Na'vi too, so that they would remember not to slam the door.  I figured this way would be kinder than me nagging all the time :D so this is what I came up with, and it is probably wrong.  So if anyone could help me out and tell me what I did wrong that would be great.

Tì-st-us-u nì-fnu fìsäfpxäkìm rutxe

Attempted meaning= please shut this door quietly

I used the verbal noun deriving affix on tstu to get the verb form of shut
I used the adverbial deriving affix on fnu to get quietly
and lastly I put fì on fpxäkìm to signify "this" and put the noun deriving affix on to get enterance

so what does everyone think?

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Re: A sign for my door
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 12:03:35 am »
Kaltxì

My room mate slams the door every once in a while and I wanted to make a little sign, they are learning Na'vi too, so that they would remember not to slam the door.  I figured this way would be kinder than me nagging all the time :D so this is what I came up with, and it is probably wrong.  So if anyone could help me out and tell me what I did wrong that would be great.

Tì-st-us-u nì-fnu fìsäfpxäkìm rutxe

Attempted meaning= please shut this door quietly

I used the verbal noun deriving affix on tstu to get the verb form of shut
I used the adverbial deriving affix on fnu to get quietly
and lastly I put fì on fpxäkìm to signify "this" and put the noun deriving affix on to get enterance

so what does everyone think?

You have picked a real challenging one here!

First of all, there is no Na`vi word yet for 'door' (I am going to check the LEP later to see if it was proposed). It is hard to work around this. So, maybe you can approach this from a different direction that does not need the word door-- 'Please enter quietly'.

fpxäkìm nìtìfnusu rutxe or perhaps rutxe fpxäkìm nìtìfnusnu

In case you haven't been active here lately, it has been determined that the tì- and nì prefixes are not generally 'productive', and should not normally be used. But nì can still be used to adverbize adjectives, and tì can be used with <us> to form a gerund. In my suggestion, both of these exceptions are used together.

fpxäkìm is used in lexical form for 'enter'.

Instead of using fnu for quiet (which is a verb), we will use the tì- <us> form, which essentially gives us an active participle. This would be an adjective. So then, we can hang a nì- on there to give us an adverb.

Another way to do this would be to use the imperfective present tense form of fnu, which would be fn<er>u That would give us fpxäkìm fneru rutxe In either case, this is a wou set of words for a door sign!

It will be interesting to see what others think. I seem to have a track record of finding really bad new ways to abuse Na`vi grammar.  :P

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Re: A sign for my door
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 03:48:06 am »
Nah, tì- <us> gives a gerund, which is a noun. Just <us> on its own would give you an active participle.
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Re: A sign for my door
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 03:48:22 am »
Yeah I have not been around here for a while.  I have just been so busy.  So why is it that we should not use the Tì and the Nì prefixes.  Is it just one of those "that is the way it is things" or is there a reason it changed?  Also, thank you for your help.  

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Re: A sign for my door
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2010, 03:50:46 am »
And as for not having a word for door, I figured I could turn "enter" from a verb into a noun and that would work.  What do you all think?

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Re: A sign for my door
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2010, 04:02:05 am »
It's mainly that when you use them, you can't be sure that what you create is actually a word - and exactly what it means if it does make a word.
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Re: A sign for my door
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2010, 12:14:14 pm »
It's mainly that when you use them, you can't be sure that what you create is actually a word - and exactly what it means if it does make a word.

Oh, okay that makes a lot of sense.  It kinda would be too easy if you could just slap that on anything and change it. 

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Re: A sign for my door
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 08:03:55 pm »
Nah, tì- <us> gives a gerund, which is a noun. Just <us> on its own would give you an active participle.

I saw that later. It may have come from the fact that I had another idea for this I later abandoned, and didn't catch all the things that needed to be changed.

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Re: A sign for my door
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2010, 11:24:49 am »
While I am just a beginner, I think I am going to use this phrase on my door.  I will make look a bit more advanced that I am. Thanks for the cheat sheet :)
I will keep learning and hopefully get better at this stuff.

 

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