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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2010, 01:30:00 pm »
Irayo Kemeoauniaea, you were right about the title. :D

It seems like the most trouble I'm having is with Oe/oel and the various adpositions, am vs. ol, arm, etc. I will be doing more studying so hopefully I will get it. Irayo everyone!

oe vs oel is reasonably easy to explain. In general, you only use oel if there's a direct object stated (remember that futa is a direct object) and that direct object is in the accusative case (si verbs have semantic direct objects but wouldn't use an ergative oel). I say in general because there are situations where an accusative is implied from a previous sentence or as a result of the use of the topical, but that's probably more detail than's needed.

The various adpositions don't get easier unfortunately, two recent discussions on the syntax for using specific verbs have ended up concluding that there's a list of about 10 adpositions for each that could work as well as potentially -ru, -ti and -ri.

<am> vs <ol> vs <arm> vs <alm> etc. is tricky and really I think you need to learn it yourself because it's so tricky to explain. The main problem is that none of them translate well into English, for example I saw could be tsame'a or tsole'a or even tsalme'a (ignoring the possibility of using kame). <arm> is the easiest of these, it's normally "was verbing" but can stand in for other constructions like "have been" (or so we think). As I say, <am> vs <ol> vs <alm> is one you've got to learn yourself I think, it's tricky to explain and even trickier to understand the explanation of it.
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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2010, 01:36:21 pm »
Irayo, ma smukan. XD
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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2010, 12:17:18 am »
Kea fmawn fìtxon. Oe lu nìtxan [tired]. :/
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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2010, 03:23:21 am »
kea is an adjective, it doesn't attach to the noun, so it should just be kea fmawn.

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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2010, 03:53:50 am »
Irayo, ma Kemeoauniaea (I swear, that is the most fun word to spell - saying it is a different story altogether though).

Unfortunately. I couldn't fall asleep. It's 3:53 A.M. local time (That's CST) and I'm a zombie.
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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2010, 03:09:30 pm »
Ngaytxoa, oe l<arm>u tìk<er>angkem si. :/

I'll have a journal entry up tonight.
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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2010, 03:15:58 pm »
First of all, you've got a rogue "lu" in that sentence. Using "be" with other verbs is very much an English thing, there aren't too many other languages that do [apart from in past tense, but that's something else entirely] - and Na'vi isn't one of them - you never use other verbs with "to be" in Na'vi. Secondly, tìkerangkem still "counts" as a noun, it's the "si" you want to add infixes into. So, it will be: Ngaytxoa, oe tìkangkem s<arm>i (Sorry, I was working).
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2010, 07:23:20 pm »
Irayo, ma Muzer. :)
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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2010, 12:03:57 am »
Today, I'm going to get crazier with my Na'vi. Hopefully, I make sense.

Friday – Trrpuve

These days have been hectic. I've been occupied (instead of busy) with my bands (clans of music makers) and what seems to be a common thread in these reports – looking for work.

Fay metrr<arm>it lekye'ung. Oel t<awn><arm>ok [basically, have been occupied: can I do this?] fa oeyä “ayolo' pamtseo ayngopyu” [I'm in two bands] ulte [what seems to be a common thread in these reports: the reason I didn't want to translate this phrase is because looking at it, it has a very English syntactic construction that'd be hard to change nìna'vi.] - “fwerew tìkangkemit.”

So: Fay metrrarmit lekye'ung. Oel tawnarmok fa oeyä “ayolo' pamtseo ayngopyu” ulte [what seems to be a common thread in these reports] - “fwerew tìkangkemit.”

Today, however, I rested. :D

Oel tsamurokx ngian fìkrr. :D

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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2010, 03:05:14 am »
Infixes only ever go in verbs, why's one in trr? (also it would be in the wrong position, if it were allowed it would be before the rr, infixes go before vowels (and pseudo-vowels)).

Also, fay is a prefix it does attach and when it does you'll notice you've got conflicting number, are the days plural or dual? I'm going to guess dual in which case it should be fìmesrr (all number prefixes cause lenition).

You need a verb in that first sentence, you got the right infix just in a very wrong place, the verb is lu.

Which is intransitive so the -it needs to go.

So the first sentence should be "fìmetrr lekye'ung larmu"



I'm not sure what you mean by occupied (instead of busy), why would "to be busy" be a wrong verb here? Also, you're attempting the passive voice with English structures. Na'vi has no passive, just a few sentence orders that seem a bit more like the passive than others.

Assuming you used occupied because there was no word for busy (but the verb "to be occupied" (which has an unknown translation) and "to occupy" (tok) are different verbs) I'd go with:

oeru txana tìkangkemit tarmìng oeyä mefampongul



Also, I don't think you could use other infixes with <awn> or <us>, also, participles (formed with <awn> or <us>) are always attributive in normal na'vi speech (the military register's a whole different kettle of fish though) so they'd always take -a-. Lastly using <awn> or <us> makes it stop being a verb which means you'd have been short a verb. In short, no you can't do that. Remember, "have been verbing" or "have been being verbed" is probably best approximated as "arm".

A good choice on the aside, I'd quite like to know how na'vi handles asides because they're quite useful.

The infix would need to be in the past so <arm>, but that's already implied from the first sentence so you can drop it.

Lastly for this sentence you need to specify the oel because in the last sentence you were dative (although in your original sentence it would have been reasonable to drop it).

So I'd say the second sentence as:

oeru tìkangkemit tarmìng oeyä mefampongul ulte [aside] oel fwew tìkangkemit



tsurokx is intransitive so it should just be oe not oel.

ngian may need to appear in a specific part of the phrase (some other adverbs seem to occur more commonly in certain places)so this may turn out to be a wrong place, for now, it's good though.

fìtrr is today, fìkrr is now which would contradict the <am>.

so:

oe tsamurokx ngian fìtrr



Started would be sngolä'i because the start of the learning would have been instantaneous.

Also, sngä'i is intransitive so you need a causative construction with sngeykä'i and oel.

for the second half I'd either go with futa nivume lì'fyat lena'vi; or, more probably, tìnusumeti lì'fyayä lena'vi. And your infix is in the wrong place, infixes always go before vowels nerume not nuerme.

So for the last sentence I'd say:

oel sngeykä'i tìnusumeti lì'fyayä lena'vi [last month] nang



So I'd say the whole thing as:

fìmetrr lekye'ung larmu. oeru txana tìkangkemit tarmìng oeyä mefampongul ulte [aside] oel fwew tìkangkemit.

oe tsamurokx ngian fìtrr

oel sngeykä'i tìnusumeti lì'fyayä lena'vi [last month] nang
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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2010, 03:21:34 am »
I think I'll be sticking to short sentences for the foreseeable future.

And studying more.

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Re: Na'vi Journal Project
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2010, 03:47:56 am »
I think I'll be sticking to short sentences for the foreseeable future.

And studying more.

>.< Irayo...

You should push yourself, if you always do the same small sentences it's easy to coast, if you do longer ones, you push yourself and learn more.
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« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2010, 04:22:49 am »
You're right. Irayo, ma tsmukan.  :D
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« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2010, 01:15:31 am »
Saturday - Trrkive

I am frustrated. I'm in two bands and I had to practice in both today. The problem is that I ended up having to choose which band to practice with. As a result I made the other band angry.

Oe lu sti. Mì mefampongul oeru ulte oel [had to practice in both: I could use hawl – prepare and mune - two here, but that might be confusing to some who might not read the nì'ìnglìsì version and then go “Wha???” at my odd word choices] fìtrr. Txa' tìpawm lu oe 'i'ama nefä [this is a very English way of speaking. I am aware of this.] ftxìrmey [having to make a choice] fnepe/pefnel/a  mefampongul uvan si hu.

Oel stameyki lapo mefampongul.

Oe lu sti. Mì mefampongul oeru ulte oel [had to practice in both] fìtrr. Txa' tìpawm lu oe 'i'ama nefä ftxìrmey fnepe/pefnel mefampongul uvan si hu. Oel stameyki lapo mefampongul.
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« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2010, 03:10:18 am »
Saturday - Trrkive

I am frustrated. I'm in two bands and I had to practice in both today. The problem is that I ended up having to choose which band to practice with. As a result I made the other band angry.

Oe lu sti. Mì mefampongul oeru ulte oel [had to practice in both: I could use hawl – prepare and mune - two here, but that might be confusing to some who might not read the nì'ìnglìsì version and then go “Wha???” at my odd word choices] fìtrr. Txa' tìpawm lu oe 'i'ama nefä [this is a very English way of speaking. I am aware of this.] ftxìrmey [having to make a choice] fnepe/pefnel/a  mefampongul uvan si hu.

Oel stameyki lapo mefampongul.

Oe lu sti. Mì mefampongul oeru ulte oel [had to practice in both] fìtrr. Txa' tìpawm lu oe 'i'ama nefä ftxìrmey fnepe/pefnel mefampongul uvan si hu. Oel stameyki lapo mefampongul.

sti is a stative verb (to be angry), not an adjective so just "oe sti".

I'm in two groups would "oe mì mefampongu lu" you didn't have any verb and were using a dative, that said, I'd be tempted to use a genitive although I'm not sure how to do it in na'vi, possibly "?oe lu mefamponguä"

For the "practice with both", I'd probably say "oe zolene [privactice] hu mesa'u" although that doesn't emphasise the two enough, possibly "oe zolene [privactice] hu munea tsaw" instead.

Very English indeed, probably the best way to say it would be "oe zolene ftxivängey pampongu a [priyevactice] tsahu"

uvan si is confirmed as being play solely in the sense of playing a game although we don't have a word for play an instrument.

Also, na'vi doesn't like adpositions hanging like that, you need a dummy pronoun for it.

Your infixes are in the wrong place again, <eyk> comes before <am> so steykami

lapo is "other person", you should have used "lahea"

You've also got two ergatives here, pampongu (singular here not still dual) should be accusative as it is the causee.



So I'd say the whole thing as:

oe sti. oe mì mefampongu lu ulte oe zolene [privactice] hu mesa'u fìtrr ha oe zolene ftxivängey pampongu a [priyevactice] tsahu tafral oel steykami lahea pamponguti
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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2010, 01:59:59 am »
Monday – trrmuve

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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2010, 02:06:36 am »
pivey (remember any verb following a modal must take the subjunctive).

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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2010, 02:10:38 am »
irayo ma tsmukan.
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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2010, 03:28:58 am »
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