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NaviMcCall94

Kaltxì ma tsmuk.  I am new to the language and currently reading Na'Vi in a Nutshell.  I just want to make sure I have the Egative and Accusative part down.  So if I wanted to say "I bond with the ikran" I would say "Oel tsaheyl si ikranit"?

Irayo ulte Eywa ngahu.

Kemaweyan

No, the verbs with "si" always are intransitive, so you can't use accusative and ergative here. Correctly you can say "Oe tsaheyl soli ikranur" ;)
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Quote from: Kemaweyan on June 17, 2010, 08:33:30 PM
No, the verbs with "si" always are intransitive, so you can't use accusative and ergative here. Correctly you can say "Oe tsaheyl soli ikranur" ;)

He said I bond with the ikran, not I bonded with the ikran.

Oe tsaheyl si ikranur. ;)

NaviMcCall94

Why is the suffix on ikran "ur"? 
Irayo.

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Dative case, i.e., indirect object.  Also -r(u) after nouns ending in a vowel.
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____si verbs cant take direct objects...so they take indirect objects...to do tht, use -ur...see section 5.5 on Na'vi in a Nutshell. :D

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I chose this topic for asking a question: when fítseng and when fítsenge?

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Quote from: P.A.'li makto on June 28, 2010, 12:27:26 PM
I chose this topic for asking a question: when fítseng and when fítsenge?

Whenever you feel like it. they are the same word. it doesnt matter.

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Quote from: P.A.'li makto on June 28, 2010, 12:27:26 PM
I chose this topic for asking a question: when fítseng and when fítsenge?

Tirea is correct, but the way I generally do it, when it's on its own (adverbial or nominative use) I;d use fìtseng but if it's in a case or has a clitic adposition then I'd use fìtsenge so "oe kä fìtsengene" but "oe marmakto fìtseng".

That said, following the pattern from tsaw it would be the other way around.

Basically, as far as I know, we don't know so just do whichever sounds nicer, like -ti vs -t.
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omängum fra'uti

Well, tsaw is dropping a consonant (In the form of a diphthong) not a vowel (= extra syllable)

I do the same, no e on its own (Though I may put it in if I want something schwa-ish before the next word which starts with a consonant) but e with a suffix.
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Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 28, 2010, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: P.A.'li makto on June 28, 2010, 12:27:26 PM
I chose this topic for asking a question: when fítseng and when fítsenge?

Tirea is correct, but the way I generally do it, when it's on its own (adverbial or nominative use) I;d use fìtseng but if it's in a case or has a clitic adposition then I'd use fìtsenge so "oe kä fìtsengene" but "oe marmakto fìtseng".

That said, following the pattern from tsaw it would be the other way around.

Basically, as far as I know, we don't know so just do whichever sounds nicer, like -ti vs -t.

Yes,come to think of it, thats waht I usually do.

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on June 28, 2010, 02:38:12 PM
Well, tsaw is dropping a consonant (In the form of a diphthong) not a vowel (= extra syllable)

I do the same, no e on its own (Though I may put it in if I want something schwa-ish before the next word which starts with a consonant) but e with a suffix.

Yeah these are some good guidelines for fìtseng vs. fìtsenge.

Kemaweyan

As for me, easier to say "ng" before the vowel ;) Therefore I usually use "fìtsenge" ::)
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Quote from: Kemaweyan on June 28, 2010, 02:44:24 PM
As for me, easier to say "ng" before the vowel ;) Therefore I usually use "fìtsenge" ::)

As I said, It doesnt matter, to each his own. the general trend (NOT rule/law) just tends to be the thigns that Ke Meoauniaea and Omängum said.

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Quote from: omängum fra'uti on June 28, 2010, 02:38:12 PM
Well, tsaw is dropping a consonant (In the form of a diphthong) not a vowel (= extra syllable)

Not really, most diphthong notation I've seen (for almost all falling diphthongs and sometimes for rising diphthongs) shows them as ending in a non-syllabic vowel rather than approximant and so it's a slightly more comparable case than you might think at first (although it still doesn't introduce a new syllable).

And of course there's the fact that the aw in tsaw is actually a diphthongisation of the a'u in tsa'u so it is reasonably relevant to the dropping of word-final vowels (although in tsaw you're also dropping a glottal stop).
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Quote from: Kemaweyan on June 28, 2010, 02:44:24 PM
As for me, easier to say "ng" before the vowel ;) Therefore I usually use "fìtsenge" ::)

Sran.  My personal preference as well, especially after getting the feel of a Latin tongue.  It's similar to whether you prefer to say "ngati" or "ngat," "kempe" or "pehem," "Oeru" or "Oer."  Whatever eases your tongue ;)
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