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Swoka Swizaw

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An excercise in the LAUD and PEJ.
« on: January 13, 2010, 04:03:09 pm »
We have: Oe ke new tswon. Simple.

Now, adding the Pejorative: Oe ke new tswängon. I am not happy about not wanting to fly?

If I am to assume that this may be similar to a "double negative," the Laudative would, then, be more accurate?

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Re: An excercise in the LAUD and PEJ.
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2010, 04:06:49 pm »
As far as my knowledge reaches, it generally gives the sentence a tinge of your negative attitude towards what the sentence is saying. It is in no way a negation, so no, it should still be pejorative and not laudative.

The translation you used is another of the many traps that await for english speakers learning na'vi - it doesn't actually add any words. If anything, it would mean that you say it in such a way that it is clear for the listener that you don't like it, but you don't state it directly, even if it is in fact obvious to the said listener just as if you did put those words in. Think of it as a shortcut ;)

God... I really have to work on my explanations. Hope you got something from it =p
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Re: An excercise in the LAUD and PEJ.
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2010, 04:07:56 pm »
It's like... saying

'We are going shopping'

With a Pejorative it would be more like

'We are going shopping (ugh!)'
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Re: An excercise in the LAUD and PEJ.
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2010, 04:09:48 pm »
As far as I know your second sentence would mean that you are unhappy about flying (flying has the infix not new) and don't want to, as if someone is forcing you to.

Also, you tswons need an infinitive <iv>.
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Re: An excercise in the LAUD and PEJ.
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2010, 05:22:29 pm »
As far as I know your second sentence would mean that you are unhappy about flying (flying has the infix not new) and don't want to, as if someone is forcing you to.

Also, you tswons need an infinitive <iv>.

Right, new doesn't have the infix. And why the subjunctive?

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Re: An excercise in the LAUD and PEJ.
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2010, 05:30:59 pm »
Right, new doesn't have the infix. And why the subjunctive?

<iv> has some functions that are like an Indo-European subjunctive, but it's not just that.  It appears also to be used whenever a verb is dependent on another, such as here.  In other examples of "I can X" and "I must X" the X verb has <iv>.
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Re: An excercise in the LAUD and PEJ.
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2010, 07:11:58 pm »
Right, new doesn't have the infix. And why the subjunctive?

<iv> has some functions that are like an Indo-European subjunctive, but it's not just that.  It appears also to be used whenever a verb is dependent on another, such as here.  In other examples of "I can X" and "I must X" the X verb has <iv>.

I do recall reading on Wikipedia that <iv> is the optative, as well. So: oe ke niveiew tswon? I realize that infix is attached to the auxillary verb.

 

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