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Offline Lehrrapa Swirä

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Been Practicing...
« on: July 14, 2010, 02:24:56 am »
So I have been reading over some of the materials provided here, and thought I would attempt another sentence.
Oel tse'a-l nawm-a ay-tsamsiyu-ti
I see great warriors.

I wasn't really sure about the 'l' on tse'a or the 'ti' on tsamsiyu. Do you need 'l' or 'ti' if a noun in being seen?
Other than that, I think I got it? lol, please let me know.

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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2010, 02:30:45 am »
Oe-l tse'a nawm aysamsiyu-ti

Transitivity: A verbs B. A job for the -l and the -ti. The thing with a -ti is verbed by the -l. always remember this and you will do well. :D  ((posted from Tirea's FB page))


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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2010, 05:52:08 am »
In short, pretty close.

Remember that ay+ causes lenition so the ts in tsamsiyu becomes an s (this also means you can drop the ay if you want).

Also, case endings mark noun cases so only ever go on nouns, never verbs, likewise infixes only ever go in verbs never nouns.
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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2010, 11:30:13 am »
...which, in turn, would lead to a final sentence being something like this:

Oel tse'a nawma (ay)samsiyuti.

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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2010, 12:41:32 pm »
Oe-l tse'a nawm aysamsiyu-ti

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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2010, 01:31:52 pm »
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Oe-l tse'a nawm aysamsiyu-ti

Transitivity: A verbs B. A job for the -l and the -ti. The thing with a -ti is verbed by the -l. always remember this and you will do well.   ((posted from Tirea's FB page))
Does this mean that you use '-ti' and '-l' like the English '-ed'? If so, I can understand why I didn't need it here. If not, could someone explain?

And how do I know when a prefix causes lenition? I remember reading it somewhere, but I can remember...

Thanks for the feedback btw!  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2010, 01:49:56 pm »
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Oe-l tse'a nawm aysamsiyu-ti

Transitivity: A verbs B. A job for the -l and the -ti. The thing with a -ti is verbed by the -l. always remember this and you will do well.   ((posted from Tirea's FB page))
Does this mean that you use '-ti' and '-l' like the English '-ed'? If so, I can understand why I didn't need it here. If not, could someone explain?
Not quite.  In short: these suffixes can only be applied to nouns.  Hopefully this will explain a bit about -l/-ìl and -t(i)/-it.

And how do I know when a prefix causes lenition? I remember reading it somewhere, but I can remember...
They are marked with a "+" in the NiaN guide, as well as the dictionaries.  This happens with ay+, as well as all the numerical prefixes, but it may be useful to check back if neccesary to see which adpositions lenit (because some like mì+, do lenit).

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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2010, 01:53:31 pm »
Thanks, i'll check that out. I hope I can figure this all out. lol

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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2010, 02:01:13 pm »
Basically, English uses word order to convey what the subject and object of a verb are.
Na'vi uses suffix endings to mark case. Specifically, it uses -l and -il to mark the thing that is performing the verb, and -it, -t, and -ti to mark what is directly receiving the action of the verb.

NiaN does a pretty good job explaining it :P
« Last Edit: July 14, 2010, 02:03:52 pm by Payä Tìrol »
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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2010, 02:44:00 pm »
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"peu to fwa tskxefa ayuti ska'a lu sìltsan? Tskxe a kllkxem ulte fpi nga ayuti ska'a.
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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2010, 02:45:21 pm »
So, would this sentence be right then?
Oe-l t<am>spang vrrtep-ìl.
I killed the demon.

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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2010, 02:49:39 pm »
So, would this sentence be right then?
Oe-l t<am>spang vrrtep-ìl.
I killed the demon.

No. Oe-l tsp<am>ang vrrtep-it. We should add infixes only before vowel (or pseudovowel rr and ll) in the syllable.

And here should be vrrtepit, because it's the object of action "kill".
« Last Edit: July 14, 2010, 02:51:13 pm by Kemaweyan »
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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2010, 02:51:11 pm »
Oel kame ngati nerume set


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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2010, 02:53:07 pm »
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No. Oe-l tsp<am>ang vrrtep-it. We should add infixes only before vowel (or pseudovowel rr and ll) in the syllable.
Omg Thank you! lol. I think I finally understand the infixes now. Well, atleast with 2 syllable words.

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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2010, 04:14:15 pm »
When you add the infixes, you can change only last and pre-last syllable. If in the word is only one syllable, all infixes put in that.

But not with all verbs this rule works. There are some words what created with other verbs: yomtìng, sìlpey, ralpeng and others. There you should put infixes only in syllables what are from source verb, from which created this new verb:

yomtìng - 2 syllables, but there is yomt<0><1><2>ìng, because created from yom+tìng.
sìlpey - 2 syllables, sìlp<0><1><2>ey, created from sìl+pey
ralpeng - ralp<0><1><2>eng, ral+peng

Also in verbs what created with si, changes only word si:

irayo s<0><1><2>i
pamrel s<0><1><2>i
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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2010, 04:19:33 pm »
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No. Oe-l tsp<am>ang vrrtep-it. We should add infixes only before vowel (or pseudovowel rr and ll) in the syllable.
Omg Thank you! lol. I think I finally understand the infixes now. Well, atleast with 2 syllable words.

Even the <ol>/<am>/<alm> distinction? That takes an awful lot of practice. In this sentence in fact, I'd probably go with <alm> instead of <am> to show that the action was pretty much instantaneous and the actual killing did not take much time, but could be represented on a timeline as a point. (That's pretty minor though, <am> certainly isn't wrong, it just provides slightly different information about the same event).
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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2010, 05:02:29 pm »
I knew it had to more complicated than that. Lol. Still got a lot of practicing to do.  :)

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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2010, 06:19:52 pm »
To get more practice try converse in Na'vi at Na'vi nì'aw ;)
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Re: Been Practicing...
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2010, 06:38:52 pm »
XD I guess I could try. There will be lots of  ??? though  ;)

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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2010, 06:48:31 pm »
I believe the practice is the best way to learn. In learning language practice is conversation - usage of this language. And don't fear mistakes, we all still study ;)
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