Common mistakes for new Na'vi learners to avoid

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Added a new mistake I'm surprised I haven't added before now.  Question words vs relational pronouns.
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Quote from: omängum fra'uti on June 07, 2010, 03:25:58 PM
Added a new mistake I'm surprised I haven't added before now.  Question words vs relational pronouns.
Yeah, I see that a lot. I find it strange because that was one I picked up on rather quickly early on; if it has pe- or -pe it's a question word only.

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You've made a copy-pasta error, the section on glottal stops appears again right below the question bit.
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Maybe we should add using adpositions and cases to the list ma omängum, I think that's having a bit of a resurgence.
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One that I am guilty off ... confusing verbs and nouns (and consequently trying to put infixes in nouns ... doh).

And one other (related one) that I still don't quite get ... verbs like ralpeng can ony have the infixes in the bit that was a verb (peng) and not the bit that wasn't (ral) ... I mean the dictionary lists "ralpeng" as a verb but it is a composite word "ral" (noun) and "peng" (verb) so this alters where the infixes can go.

The impact of this is significant because it means we can't rely entirely on the dictionary (granted it usually tells us where the word is from), we have to know how what might at first sight be a verb is constructed ... moreover, a compound word (noun) might be constructed from words that include verbs so we can, presumably, drop infixes into that component.

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Quote from: Kekerusey on June 29, 2010, 05:49:10 AM
One that I am guilty off ... confusing verbs and nouns (and consequently trying to put infixes in nouns ... doh).

And one other (related one) that I still don't quite get ... verbs like ralpeng can ony have the infixes in the bit that was a verb (peng) and not the bit that wasn't (ral) ... I mean the dictionary lists "ralpeng" as a verb but it is a composite word "ral" (noun) and "peng" (verb) so this alters where the infixes can go.

The impact of this is significant because it means we can't rely entirely on the dictionary (granted it usually tells us where the word is from), we have to know how what might at first sight be a verb is constructed ... moreover, a compound word (noun) might be constructed from words that include verbs so we can, presumably, drop infixes into that component.

Keke

Infix positions are marked for this reason so you can rely on the dictionary (although you'd still need to learn most of the grammar from NiaN)
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Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 29, 2010, 07:46:32 AMInfix positions are marked for this reason so you can rely on the dictionary (although you'd still need to learn most of the grammar from NiaN)

Sorry but I don't understand, certainly didn't understand what "NiaN" is).

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Quote from: Kekerusey on June 29, 2010, 08:33:31 AM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 29, 2010, 07:46:32 AMInfix positions are marked for this reason so you can rely on the dictionary (although you'd still need to learn most of the grammar from NiaN)

Sorry but I don't understand, certainly didn't understand what "NiaN" is).

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'Oma Tirea

Kaltxì nìmun.  Here are some ideas for updating the initial post:


Mistake #1: Noun cases.

> Refer to http://forum.learnnavi.org/syntax-grammar/navi-linguistics-case/.  It's a lot clearer and more thoroughly written out there.

Mistake #2: Literal English translations.

> Sìltsan, but don't forget about how this also messes things up dealing with "to" and "for" in English.  These small words also have various translations, from adpositions to the topical case.

Mistake #3: Translation of idioms.

> Sìltsan.

Mistake #4: Aspect vs tense.

> Sìltsan.  Good thing you have that link.

Mistake #5: Adding/removing glottal stops.

> Is this still a mistake nowadays?  For some it could be confusing ì with i, or ä with a.  I have also had the somewhat unusual mistake of confusing n for m in words like "tslam."

Mistake #6: Question words.

> Sìltsan.

Mistake #7: Negative phrases.

> Sìltsan.  I have noticed you point out basically that "rä'ä" should only be used in commanding instances.


Any others you have found lately?  Here might be one:

Quote from: Kekerusey on June 29, 2010, 05:49:10 AM
One that I am guilty off ... confusing verbs and nouns (and consequently trying to put infixes in nouns ... doh).
Perhaps this has a tie to English where some nouns and their equivalent verbs are not clearly distinguished from one another.
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Arantele

I feel like such a beginner :-(... I'm having problems with common words, many of them found here on the sight that all of you use regularly... I also had a hard time learning German even though thats a "real" language... I wish they'd make a rosetta stone for this, lol... A lot of the issues I'm having are with the pronunciations as well.. getting the pronunciation/sound right..

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Quote from: Arantele on November 18, 2010, 02:14:26 AM
I feel like such a beginner :-(... I'm having problems with common words, many of them found here on the sight that all of you use regularly... I also had a hard time learning German even though thats a "real" language... I wish they'd make a rosetta stone for this, lol... A lot of the issues I'm having are with the pronunciations as well.. getting the pronunciation/sound right..
I'd suggest finding someone to tutor you, someone who you can spend an hour or so with every few days to work out some of the more problem areas. As you build a good foundation of knowledge things become much easier.

Hufwe Atxur

Like it's said in the movie: "It's all about repetition, repetition". Use the language often, especially in the first days; try to think of simple sentence when you are going around, etc.. Then you'll automatically learn those things ;)
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Quote from: Hufwe Atxur on November 18, 2010, 12:10:13 PM
Like it's said in the movie: "It's all about repetition, repetition"....

...and also tìmweypey.

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More common mistakes observed...


  • Ayoengìl instead of ayoengal.  However, I could expect that either one may be used at the speaker's discretion in the future.
  • Kop vs. nìteng.  The misusage is starting up, and also starting to drive me up a wall!

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As this language grows I now see *noun* 'efu ye probably where *noun* teya s(eyi)i was intended.

...Slä pelun?  It's as if ye and teya are synonyms... ???

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Irayo for those hints. They are indeed useful for avoiding common mistakes and should make a start much easier.


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