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Difference between PXEL and NA?
« on: August 23, 2018, 02:21:41 pm »
I am not sure if I understood it exactly ... exist any difference between pxel and na or I can select one completely arbitrarily?

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2018, 02:28:26 pm »
I am not sure if I understood it exactly ... exist any difference between pxel and na or I can select one completely arbitrarily?

They are same, interchangeable, except this:

Zet is always paired with pxel (not na) to express the idea of “treat A like or as B.”

pxel usage is so rare compared to na, I think that rule makes it so that people at least use it 1 out of every 10000 times ;D

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2018, 02:34:18 pm »
Irayo nìtxan!

pxel usage is so rare compared to na, I think that rule makes it so that people at least use it 1 out of every 10000 times ;D
Eltur tìtxen si ... I rather use pxel ;D

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2018, 02:43:40 pm »
Irayo nìtxan!

pxel usage is so rare compared to na, I think that rule makes it so that people at least use it 1 out of every 10000 times ;D
Eltur tìtxen si ... I rather use pxel ;D

Well, you're in luck. pxel works 100% of the time, and na works 99.99% of the time. :D

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2018, 02:51:37 pm »
Good to know it ;D :D

Irayo for explanation :)

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2018, 02:52:52 pm »
Nìprrte' :D

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2018, 08:13:25 pm »
TLDR: NONE! But pxel with zet.

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2018, 08:22:59 am »
Why is there a distinction if there's no difference? I'm just curious.

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2018, 08:40:40 am »
Why is there a distinction if there's no difference? I'm just curious.

My theory (and it's not necessarily true) is that it forces the usage frequency of pxel to increase just a little bit because na has been by far and wide more commonly chosen for use over pxel.

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2018, 11:15:23 am »
Well, you can use zet only with pxel and not na. Comparison with nìftxan only works with na, not pxel. But besides from that they indeed can be used interchangebly.

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2018, 11:47:41 am »
Well, you can use zet only with pxel and not na. Comparison with nìftxan only works with na, not pxel. But besides from that they indeed can be used interchangebly.


Srane :D

However, the latest question was why are those exact arbitrary rules in place?

It's a great question. However the answer is very anti-climactic and non-epic. It's literally "Because Paul Frommer, the creator of the language, said so"

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2018, 11:53:33 am »
It's a great question. However the answer is very anti-climactic and non-epic. It's literally "Because Paul Frommer, the creator of the language, said so"
HRH, great explanation ;D :D

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2018, 05:21:11 am »
I have the impression that Na'vi particles and prepositions tend to be more analytical than English and other european languages. Na'vi also seems to go down having one particular prep for every possible usage so as not to be any ambiguity, which however makes it a bit artificial, because natural languages don't need to be so analytical.

In natural languages, the same prep can serve more than one role (eg. in French "de" means both "of" and "from"). English also seem to have "unnecaissary" preps that overlap, like at, in, on etc. The rules that dictate whether to use "on that date", "in home" and "at home" seem to have developed historically ,while other languages would use the same structure for all these expressions.

But on the other hand, the fact that some preps like ro/mì and pxel/na seem to overlap also seems to give a level of realism, because such usage obviously came because of "historical" reasons.

This is my educated guess whch seems a bit more epic :)

I could guess that pxel is an "older" preposition, and the exact orignal usage of na was similar but distinct. But we can guess that the recent generations who tended to simplify the language, confused the two; na started to overlap with pxel, so it was taking more space and used in more ways. The requirement of pxel with zet, seems to be a relic. While younger Na'vi could confuse those two and use na with zet, they are corrected to use pxel so the formal syntax is fossilized. Possibly we are living an intermediate stage where the two are battling together and pxel can stll be used optionally, but possibly it will be completely forgotten, except in its fossilized role.

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Re: Difference between PXEL and NA?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2018, 06:02:53 pm »
A pretty solid theory. I never thought about it like that :O

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