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Help!!
« on: January 04, 2011, 09:36:09 am »
I am totally stuck, please help!!!
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Re: Help!!
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 09:38:18 am »
What's the issue?


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Re: Help!!
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 10:23:26 am »
I am totally stuck, please help!!!

we would be more than glad to help. could you perhaps be more specific? :)

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Re: Help!!
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 12:18:43 pm »
We can't help you without posting the problem, right?

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Re: Help!!
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2011, 12:34:03 pm »
We can't help you without posting the problem, right?


Sorry guys!! I mean like you've got the English to na'vi dictionaries, but like what about sentences?
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Re: Help!!
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2011, 12:41:05 pm »
We can't help you without posting the problem, right?


Sorry guys!! I mean like you've got the English to na'vi dictionaries, but like what about sentences?
Well if every possible sentence would be in a dictionary, that dictionary wouldn't fit on your harddisk, would it?
As I see it, you can form a sentence by combining words and grammar. For example:

I see you.

I = oe
to see (into) = kam<ei>e
you = nga

I is subject, and there is a direct object, so oe turns into oe-l.
You is direct object so nga turns into nga-ti.
Finally to see is a happy thing so kame becomes kam<ei>e.

Oel kameie ngati. - I see you. (the words can be put in every order, sice the case will tell what the subject and the direct object is)
Oel ngati kameie. - I see you.
Ngati oel kameie. - I see you.
Etc.
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Re: Help!!
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 02:45:07 pm »
If the previous post confused you, you are probably new to linguistics.

Na`vi is different in a lot of ways from English or what ever language it is you primarily use. This can be daunting at first, but you will quickly get over it.

First read 'A Crash Course in Linguistic Terminology', which you should be able to find at http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Linguistic-terminology-crash-course.pdf

Next, carefully study the Na`vi alphabet, so you know what is in it. You can find a document about it at http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Navi-Alphabet.pdf

Next, these videos will teach you how to pronunce letters and words
http://forum.learnnavi.org/audio/navi-pronunciation-guides/

At any time when you are comfortable with these 'basic basics, check out
http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Navi_in_a_Nutshell.pdf

You may find this to be helpful as well. More technical, but I have found it more useful
http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/horen-lenavi.pdf


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Re: Help!!
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2011, 03:26:35 pm »
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Re: Help!!
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2011, 03:42:40 pm »
I can understand that the language can look a bit overwhelming at the beginning, but you only have to start slowly and steadily, and you will quickly see that it's all very manageable. :) The resources advised by 'Eylan Ayfalulukanä are all very good and given in a fit and practical order, so they're also what I would suggest you.

Furthermore, be aware that there is a little section about useful phrases at the end of the Na'vi-English dictionary. There are also many useful informations about Na'vi here which might help you. :)

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Re: Help!!
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2011, 05:46:17 pm »
There's a lot out there to help you (and any beginners/guests who are also reading this topic), and actually, this might make things seem overwhelming.  Do you start with linguistic terminology, or will that not make sense until you actually learn some of the language?  There are so many resources that you could browse them for a long time without feeling like you're making progress.

The way I like to look at a language like this is to break it down into two parts: Vocabulary and Grammar.  You need both of them to start forming sentences, and in fact, you don't really need anything more than them at first.

For Grammar, definitely start with Na'vi for Beginners (http://forum.learnnavi.org/learning-resources/navi-for-beginners/) or just jump right into Na'vi in a Nutshell (http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Navi_in_a_Nutshell.pdf).

For Vocabulary, don't just go to the dictionary and find words you like (though pick out a few, to remind you of the beauty of the language as you go along).  Instead, start out by learning the words you see used in the Grammar references just mentioned.  They are probably simple and commonly used.  Make a list, notecards, or something, so you can refer to the words you've learned.

Then, step three is combination.  On your own, make some simple sentences.  You could even post them here, on the Beginner's board, and just as many people who came to help you now will help you then.  Then, you can eventually start looking at the simpler (usually shorter) posts on the nìNa'vi nì'aw board and translating them.

Personally, I wouldn't start out trying to tackle the entire Linguistic Crash Course right away.  Instead, wait until you come across something you don't understand from a Grammar reference, then look it up, maybe learning a few more things along the way.  It's good to start learning some actual language rather than just terminology so your ambition doesn't fizzle out right away.

Do, however, make sure you clear up pronunciation confusions right away.  Being able to produce ejectives will become a talent you won't want to let go to waste!  ;D


(P.S. I would add a third element to Vocabulary and Grammar, Idiom, but that's hard to pin down in an invented language, especially as a beginner.)

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Re: Help!!
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 07:22:25 pm »
If the previous post confused you, you are probably new to linguistics.

Na`vi is different in a lot of ways from English or what ever language it is you primarily use. This can be daunting at first, but you will quickly get over it.

First read 'A Crash Course in Linguistic Terminology', which you should be able to find at http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Linguistic-terminology-crash-course.pdf

Next, carefully study the Na`vi alphabet, so you know what is in it. You can find a document about it at http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Navi-Alphabet.pdf

Next, these videos will teach you how to pronunce letters and words
http://forum.learnnavi.org/audio/navi-pronunciation-guides/

At any time when you are comfortable with these 'basic basics, check out
http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Navi_in_a_Nutshell.pdf

You may find this to be helpful as well. More technical, but I have found it more useful
http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/horen-lenavi.pdf



just be aware that some of that is out of date. specifically id like to point out that the term "ergative" has since been replaced with "agentive" and "accusitive" has been replaced with "patientive". referring to the linguistic terms doc and such. also we have names for the na'vi letters as seen on Paul Frommer's blog naviteri.org

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Re: Help!!
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2011, 07:36:55 pm »

try project ngaynume or the neytiri project. easy learning. ;)

Yeah, don't forget those.  What I outlined was more my approach, as someone whose only option right now is self-study.  A one-on-one teacher or immersion learning helps bypass some of the confusion and repeated mulling over of self-study.
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Re: Help!!
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 12:22:01 am »
If the previous post confused you, you are probably new to linguistics.

Na`vi is different in a lot of ways from English or what ever language it is you primarily use. This can be daunting at first, but you will quickly get over it.

First read 'A Crash Course in Linguistic Terminology', which you should be able to find at http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Linguistic-terminology-crash-course.pdf

Next, carefully study the Na`vi alphabet, so you know what is in it. You can find a document about it at http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Navi-Alphabet.pdf

Next, these videos will teach you how to pronunce letters and words
http://forum.learnnavi.org/audio/navi-pronunciation-guides/

At any time when you are comfortable with these 'basic basics, check out
http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/Navi_in_a_Nutshell.pdf

You may find this to be helpful as well. More technical, but I have found it more useful
http://www.learnnavi.org/docs/horen-lenavi.pdf



just be aware that some of that is out of date. specifically id like to point out that the term "ergative" has since been replaced with "agentive" and "accusitive" has been replaced with "patientive". referring to the linguistic terms doc and such. also we have names for the na'vi letters as seen on Paul Frommer's blog naviteri.org

At least the last two resources listed are being kept up to date (still a little heavy, though :P).

Maybe I should make a pronounciation guide of my own sometime soon...

try project ngaynume or the neytiri project. easy learning. ;)

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Re: Help!!
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 01:46:31 am »
Thanks guys, I'll try all of your advice!!
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