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Eyäzong

Ok i really really really want a Na`vi name but i dont know what to do. any suggestions? please
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

Tuteyä amuiä 'itan

this might be better asked in the Na'vi name's topic


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Kaltxì!

There are some ways... i looked up my name's meaning and translated it.
Other way is to write your name in a way what's phonetically correct in na'vi.

Quotethis might be better asked in the Na'vi name's topic

There were some get-na'vi-name topics, so if this topic was started i'd say that it doesn't matter...
Depends on the moderators ;)
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#3
As has been said, in general use the search button to look for similar threads (like the na'vi names thread currently one below this one).

Anyway, as this thread's been made, I might as well help.

I assume from your username that you'r name kifkeyä is Josh(ua) which means God is salvation/God saves.

As we generally translate God as Eywa, we get translations such as:

Eywa zong
Tìzong Eywayä
Eywayä Tìzong

Which can, if you want be compounded with a bit of artistic licence in ways such as:

Eyzong, Ewzong, Eywazong, Eywong etc.
Tongway, Tìzway, Tìzongeywayä, Tìzongeyway etc.
Eyong, Eytìzong, Eyäzong, Eywaytìzong etc.

Or we could just transliterate Joshua to get Zoswa/Zosua with the short form being Zos.
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Eyäzong

 :-[ thanks so much everyone for helping me. and i sincerely appologize for this thread, i didnt know there was already a thread for this. i didnt know. srry. :(
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

Eyäzong

and if its not to much trouble, can someone help me out at learning how to speak Na`vi? i looked around this site and everything is so complicated. does someone have anything for me? a website perhaps? but i cant download things since i am on mobile. i am such a newbie at this. all i know is Eywa means God. :( thats kinda sad for a avatar fan. help me please.
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

Eyäzong

Quote from: tìkawngä mungeyu on April 23, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
As has been said, in general use the search button to look for similar threads (like the na'vi names thread currently one below this one).

Anyway, as this thread's been made, I might as well help.

I assume from your username that you'r name kifkeyä is Josh(ua) which means God is salvation/God saves.

As we generally translate God as Eywa, we get translations such as:

Eywa zong
Tìzong Eywayä
Eywayä Tìzong

Which can, if you want be compounded with a bit of artistic licence in ways such as:

Eyzong, Ewzong, Eywazong, Eywong etc.
Tongway, Tìzway, Tìzongeywayä, Tìzongeyway etc.
Eyong, Eytìzong, Eyäzong, Eywaytìzong etc.

Or we could just transliterate Joshua to get Zoswa/Zosua with the short form being Zos.
so your saying my name could be Eyäzong?
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

Eyäzong

how would you pronounce Eyäzong? like idk about the two dots on top of the a, how it all would sound......
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

kewnya txamew'itan

Quote from: thejoshinater1 on April 23, 2010, 01:25:57 PM
:-[ thanks so much everyone for helping me. and i sincerely appologize for this thread, i didnt know there was already a thread for this. i didnt know. srry. :(

No problem.

Quote from: thejoshinater1 on April 23, 2010, 01:40:38 PM
and if its not to much trouble, can someone help me out at learning how to speak Na`vi? i looked around this site and everything is so complicated. does someone have anything for me? a website perhaps? but i cant download things since i am on mobile. i am such a newbie at this. all i know is Eywa means God. :( thats kinda sad for a avatar fan. help me please.

This topic should have all the most commonly used vocab. Other verbs that you should learn that aren't on there are taron (hunt), tswayon (fly), yom (eat), plltxe (speak), rey (live), kelku si (dwell) (derived from kelku (house) and si (do/make)).

As for a brief grammatical explanation which is probably necessary, I'll have a stab at it:

In na'vi word order is pretty free so the sentences oel taron yerikit and yerikit taron oel both describe the exact same action, that I hunt the yerik.

In order for the language to still make sense, this means nouns have to be put into 'cases' which show how the word behaves in a sentence.

If the verb only has a subject, then you don't need to put the noun in a case.

If the verb has a subject and object, then the subject takes the ergative or agentive case formed by adding the suffix -l if the noun ends in a vowel or -ìl if it ends in a consonant. The object take the acusative case which is formed using -t(i) (the i is optional) if the noun ends in a vowel or -it if the noun ends in a consonant.

Indirect objects (such as the you in "I give you my bow") take the dative case formed using -r(u) (the u is optional) if the noun ends in a vowel or -ur if it ends in a consonant.

Possessives (like my, your, Peter's etc.) are formed in the genitive case and are formed using the suffix -yä on the noun doing the possessing if it ends in a vowel or just -ä if it ends in a consonant. Genitives are always next to the noun they refer to (the object being possessed) and, if there is more than one, they must be all on the same side but can be on either the left or right.

So I give you my bow would be oel ngar(u) oeyä tskot(i) tìng.

Adjectives may be placed either side of a noun but always have an attributive -a- on the side nearest the noun they modify unless they are used predicatively (e.g. he was tall, he became fat etc.).

So I gave my strong bow to you would be oel ngar(u) oeyä tskot(i) atxur tìng.

That's the basic grammar lesson, I'll do tenses and aspect later, I have to eat now.   :)
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Quote from: thejoshinater1 on April 23, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
how would you pronounce Eyäzong? like idk about the two dots on top of the a, how it all would sound......

ä represents the sound [ æ ] which is the a in cat in most English accents.

ey is pronounced like the ay in pay.

o is pronounced like the o in d'oh or the oa in boat.

The z and ng are like in English.
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Eyäzong

Quote from: tìkawngä mungeyu on April 23, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: thejoshinater1 on April 23, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
how would you pronounce Eyäzong? like idk about the two dots on top of the a, how it all would sound......

ä represents the sound [ æ ] which is the a in cat in most English accents.

ey is pronounced like the ay in pay.

o is pronounced like the o in d'oh or the oa in boat.

The z and ng are like in English.
this helped alot, thanks a million! =)
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

Eyäzong

Quote from: tìkawngä mungeyu on April 23, 2010, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: thejoshinater1 on April 23, 2010, 01:25:57 PM
:-[ thanks so much everyone for helping me. and i sincerely appologize for this thread, i didnt know there was already a thread for this. i didnt know. srry. :(

No problem.

Quote from: thejoshinater1 on April 23, 2010, 01:40:38 PM
and if its not to much trouble, can someone help me out at learning how to speak Na`vi? i looked around this site and everything is so complicated. does someone have anything for me? a website perhaps? but i cant download things since i am on mobile. i am such a newbie at this. all i know is Eywa means God. :( thats kinda sad for a avatar fan. help me please.

This topic should have all the most commonly used vocab. Other verbs that you should learn that aren't on there are taron (hunt), tswayon (fly), yom (eat), plltxe (speak), rey (live), kelku si (dwell) (derived from kelku (house) and si (do/make)).

As for a brief grammatical explanation which is probably necessary, I'll have a stab at it:

In na'vi word order is pretty free so the sentences oel taron yerikit and yerikit taron oel both describe the exact same action, that I hunt the yerik.

In order for the language to still make sense, this means nouns have to be put into 'cases' which show how the word behaves in a sentence.

If the verb only has a subject, then you don't need to put the noun in a case.

If the verb has a subject and object, then the subject takes the ergative or agentive case formed by adding the suffix -l if the noun ends in a vowel or -ìl if it ends in a consonant. The object take the acusative case which is formed using -t(i) (the i is optional) if the noun ends in a vowel or -it if the noun ends in a consonant.

Indirect objects (such as the you in "I give you my bow") take the dative case formed using -r(u) (the u is optional) if the noun ends in a vowel or -ur if it ends in a consonant.

Possessives (like my, your, Peter's etc.) are formed in the genitive case and are formed using the suffix -yä on the noun doing the possessing if it ends in a vowel or just -ä if it ends in a consonant. Genitives are always next to the noun they refer to (the object being possessed) and, if there is more than one, they must be all on the same side but can be on either the left or right.

So I give you my bow would be oel ngar(u) oeyä tskot(i) tìng.

Adjectives may be placed either side of a noun but always have an attributive -a- on the side nearest the noun they modify unless they are used predicatively (e.g. he was tall, he became fat etc.).

So I gave my strong bow to you would be oel ngar(u) oeyä tskot(i) atxur tìng.

That's the basic grammar lesson, I'll do tenses and aspect later, I have to eat now.   :)
wow, that kinda confused me. all those words. honestly, and sadly, i dont exactly know what nouns and all those other words mean... i know,... i am sooo stupid. but i think i am going to learn this later. first i wanna start slow. i want to know how to say simple and improtant things, first i want to start out by how to saying the five senses in Na'vi. like, not in sentences but just the word. for example: smell, smelling, smelled, taste, tasting, tasted, touch, touching, touched, see, seeing, saw, hear, hearing, heard, etc. and also the things involved in these 5 senses and things of the body like for example: nose, noses, ear, ears, tongue, tongues, eye, eyes, finger, fingers, eyelid, eyelids, eyebrow, eyebrows, nail, nails, foot, feet etc. get it? first i want to master things like this. does anyone have the translating version of these words? cuz in the movie that is how Jake Sully started out. if you do, it would be more easier if you did it all with the before english word then the translated word. idk, i feel like i am asking to much. srry. :( i am just so intrested and i want to learn the language so bad. i hope i am not causing anyone helping me any anger. :( i appreciate everything you all are doing.
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

kewnya txamew'itan

Tenses are formed by sticking an infix in the verb, tenses describe when the action happened.

Apsect is also formed using an infix but instead describes whether or not the action is/was/will be ongoing or can be treated as a single point in time.

These infixes go before the vowel of the penultimate syllable of the verb (or the last syllable if it is monosyllabic).

The pure tense ones are:

<ay>: future
<ìy>: immediate future
<>: present (no infix)
<ìm>: recent past
<am>: past

The pure aspect infixes are:

<er>: imperfective
<ol>: perfective

unfortunately the aspectual infixes do not translate perfectly but can be approximated as shown below:

t<er>aron ~ am/are/is hunting
tsw<er>ayon ~ am/are/is flying

<ol> is a lot more complicated and is best translated as:

t<ol>aron ~ hunted
y<ol>om ~ ate

That said, <ol> is still in the present. It just means that the action is being referred to as a whole and so implies that it is completed which means it translates as an English pretirite.

Alternatively <ol> translates as English perfects although this is less accurate than the above translation.

t<ol>aron ~ have hunted
y<ol>om ~ have eaten

You then get aspectual tense melded infixes which are:

<ary>: future imperfective, will be verbing
<ìry>: immediate future imperfective, going to be verbing
<ìrm>: recent past imperfective, was just verbing
<arm>: past imperfective was verbing

and

<ìlm>: recent past perfective, just verbed/had just verbed
<alm>: past perfective, had verbed
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Eyäzong

what does perfective and inperfective mean? if i am kinda bugging, please tell me. i dont mean to. if you have a website you can give me that tell me what nouns and verbs and pronouns are etc, please tell me. its really sad of me to not know what those are, my english teacher did a bad job lol
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

kewnya txamew'itan

Quote from: thejoshinater1 on April 23, 2010, 04:18:21 PM
wow, that kinda confused me. all those words. honestly, and sadly, i dont exactly know what nouns and all those other words mean... i know,... i am sooo stupid. but i think i am going to learn this later.

first i wanna start slow. i want to know how to say simple and improtant things, first i want to start out by how to saying the five senses in Na'vi. like, not in sentences but just the word. for example: smell, smelling, smelled, taste, tasting, tasted, touch, touching, touched, see, seeing, saw, hear, hearing, heard, etc. and also the things involved in these 5 senses and things of the body like for example: nose, noses, ear, ears, tongue, tongues, eye, eyes, finger, fingers, eyelid, eyelids, eyebrow, eyebrows, nail, nails, foot, feet etc. get it? first i want to master things like this. does anyone have the translating version of these words?

cuz in the movie that is how Jake Sully started out. if you do, it would be more easier if you did it all with the before english word then the translated word. idk, i feel like i am asking to much. srry. :( i am just so intrested and i want to learn the language so bad. i hope i am not causing anyone helping me any anger. :( i appreciate everything you all are doing.

Don't worry about it, you're by no means any worse than many people I've helped here before.

It'll be difficult to explain anything without some basic linguistic vocab first, you'll pick most of it up by hanging around on these forums long enough though (the following list was pretty much all I new before coming here):

noun: a thing, person, place or abstract concept like happiness, Peter, man, hometree, toruk etc.

pronoun: a word that stands in the place of a noun, these are primarily I, you, he/she/it, we, they/those, me, him/her, us, them, my, your, his/hers/its, our, theirs.

verb: a doing word, it represents an action  e.b. is, run, hunt, fly, live.

adjective: a word that describes a noun such as blue, fast, tall

adverb: a word that describes a verb such as quickly, efficiently or normally

The subject is the thing doing the verb so if I say I hunt or I fly or I ride the ikran, I is the subject.

The object is the thing on the receiving end of the verb so in I ride the ikran, ikran is the object, in the sentence I give the bow to you, there are two objects, you (the indirect object as the action does not directly affect you) and the bow which is the direct object because it is being directly affected by being given.

A possessive/genitive is a noun that owns another noun, this is words like my, your, Josh's.






5 senses then:

As a verb describing the action of using the sense.

touch: 'ampi
taste: we don't know yet
smell: we don't know yet but probably based on fahew (possibly fahew 'efu)
see: tse'a
hear: stawm
look: nari si (literally do eyes)
listen: tìng mikyun (literally give ear)

To change the tense, (so to make it past you'd use either <am> or <ol> (see post above)) although in fahew 'efu, the infix only goes in the 'efu part, in nari si, it only goes in the si part and in tìng mikyun, it only goes in the tìng part. This is because these verbs are derived using other verbs like si, tìng or 'efu.


We're still missing words for most body parts but all the ones we do have can be found in these pictures:

whole body

face






You're not making anyone angry at all.






Quote from: thejoshinater1 on April 23, 2010, 04:47:00 PM
what does perfective and inperfective mean? if i am kinda bugging, please tell me. i dont mean to. if you have a website you can give me that tell me what nouns and verbs and pronouns are etc, please tell me. its really sad of me to not know what those are, my english teacher did a bad job lol

Perfective and imperfective are just posh linguistic terms for two properties of a verb that could really be called anything.

The imperfective is roughly equivalent to is/was/will be verbing whilst the perfective is more complicated.

There's more detail here on the perfective and imperfective.
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Eyäzong

woah! thanks bud! you just made everything so much easier! thanks a million! ok so i am going to start learning the senses and stuff. thanks. :) after, i will learn my, your, his, hers, he, her, etc. so i can say stuff in Na'vi such as your ear or you hear or my ears. thanks bud. :)
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

kewnya txamew'itan

Sure.

When you've written your sentences or phrases, feel free to post them for checking.

Good look.

Kìyevame ulte Eywa ngahu. See you soon (bye) and Eywa be with you.
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Tsamsiyu92

1 month ago, I was somehow like you, but i did know some terms (not many).

I can now write somewhat good sentences, but it will probably be another month till im in the Na'vi ni'aw forum.

Good luck

Eywa ngahu livu.

Eyäzong

Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on April 23, 2010, 05:15:25 PM
1 month ago, I was somehow like you, but i did know some terms (not many).

I can now write somewhat good sentences, but it will probably be another month till im in the Na'vi ni'aw forum.

Good luck

Eywa ngahu livu.
thanks =)
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)

Eyäzong

i'm confused. is the male and female nose named differently?
Wish me luck on my journy of learning how to speak Na'vi. :)