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Offline Eyk te Swok Ting'itan

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I need some help...
« on: July 17, 2010, 08:35:53 am »
Kaltxì everyone!

I am very new to the Na'vi language and i just yesterday saved the Na'vi in a Nutshell.

But going through this i am finding my young mind overwhelmed! :-\

Does anyone have any ideas for how to study so the knowledge sticks in my mind? ???

And i would also like to know how long it took some of you to get a better grip on the language.

Thank you! I appreciate any help!

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Re: I need some help...
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2010, 09:05:29 am »
I have found this (LN Activity book by Kaltxì Palulukan! (needs a few updates but otherwise OK)) and these (Project NgayNume Prezi lessons by Le'eylan) quite useful.

Have a good time with the learning, and remember it can take some time.  I would rate myself about 1½ months for getting it down, although I learn fast.  It may even take 3 months, 6 months, or even a year.  It's a journey all of your choosing, ma 'eylan :)

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Re: I need some help...
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2010, 09:31:51 am »
Thank you very much! These look very helpful!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: I need some help...
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2010, 09:37:27 am »
Some are not very good at self-teaching, but go through the grammar pateintly while trying to form sentences, also learn a lot of words.

Do not rush it, it may take months.

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Re: I need some help...
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 11:28:16 am »
fko zene tslam krr nihawng tslam Na'vi si lì'fya

soes this say "one must understand time to understand the people and language" ???

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Re: I need some help...
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2010, 12:00:31 pm »
In Na'vi, word order is mostly free, whereas in English, it isn't. If you think about it, many things in English can be figured out simply from the order of the words (for example, "the dog bit the man" or "the man bit the dog"). In Na'vi, this is not usually the case, so you have to have another system to figure out exactly how the word fits into the sentence as a whole.

So, in Na'vi, nouns have different endings, depending on what they do in the sentence. In your sentence, the nouns "krr", "Na'vi", and "lì'fya" need marking with endings - in this case, the ending "-it" (if it ends in a consonant), "t" or "-ti" (if it ends in a vowel). This is because these nouns are objects of the verbs - in this case, they are the thing that is understood (as opposed to the person who is doing the understanding) - so, krrit, Na'vit(i) and lì'fyat(i) (whether you choose -t or -ti is up to you, so I've put the extra "i" in brackets). Normally, the "fko" would get the "l" ending, but with a modal verb (like zene), the subject (the person or thing doing the action) doesn't get marked.

Because "zene" is a modal verb, the two "tslam"s must have the <iv> infix - so tslivam. This is one of those "just because" rules, but it again makes it easier to read the sentence.

Finally, nìhawng means "too" as in "too much" - you want "fte", which means "in order to" or "so that" (although confusingly, it's only "so that" in the dictionary).

So, the final sentence would be:

fko zene tslivam krrit fte tslivam Na'vit(i) sì lì'fyat(i)


(I think that's right...)


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Re: I need some help...
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2010, 03:20:58 am »

So, in Na'vi, nouns have different endings, depending on what they do in the sentence. In your sentence, the nouns "krr", "Na'vi", and "lì'fya" need marking with endings - in this case, the ending "-it" (if it ends in a consonant), "t" or "-ti" (if it ends in a vowel). This is because these nouns are objects of the verbs - in this case, they are the thing that is understood (as opposed to the person who is doing the understanding) - so, krrit, Na'vit(i) and lì'fyat(i) (whether you choose -t or -ti is up to you, so I've put the extra "i" in brackets). Normally, the "fko" would get the "l" ending, but with a modal verb (like zene), the subject (the person or thing doing the action) doesn't get marked.

So, the final sentence would be:

fko zene tslivam krrit fte tslivam Na'vit(i) sì lì'fyat(i)


I see three objects there, and no subject. I don't think you can have more than one direct object in a sentence unless the subject is carried over by reference. At minimum, fko should be fkol. Thus you would have:

fkol zene tslivam krrit fte tslivam Na'vit(i) sì lì'fyat(i)

I'm also wondering if a topical case for fko would be appropriate here. I know the topical is tricky and is abused more than it is used:

fkori zene tslivam krrit fte tslivam Na'vit(i) sì lì'fyat(i)

Lastly, I wonder:

fkol zene tslivam krrit fte tslivam futa Na'vi sì lì'fya

The futa would make the entire final clause as it it were a single accusative.

I'm sure others will rip these feeble attempts to shreds  :'(

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Re: I need some help...
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2010, 04:38:07 am »
I'm afraid you're wrong ma 'eylan, because fko is the subject of a modal verb (which other than the long form of new are intransitive) fko must be nominative and cannot take -l.

Fko could take the topical but there's no need, once a subject is established it's implied anyway without having to mark it with the topical first.

The futa doesn't really make much sense, "na'vi sì lì'fya" isn't a clause, likewise it's not an adjective or adpositional phrase which are the only other things we've seen take a. That said, "futa lu" or possibly futalu would be correct, it would just be longer than is necessary with no real gain, there's nothing wrong with two accusatives provided they're joined in some way (such as with sì or fu) so Muzer's sentence is correct.
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Re: I need some help...
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2010, 07:56:37 am »
GAHH!!!!! :-\ :-\ :-\
this grammar looks so confusing!

i shall have to study VERY much! :)

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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2010, 09:36:44 am »

I'm sure others will rip these feeble attempts to shreds  :'(

...starting with Kemeoauniaea (as always, but now he's a mod so he can do it more authoratively ::) ;))
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Re: I need some help...
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2010, 01:04:51 am »
Hello, here are some resources that you could use to learn the Na'vi language.

I've learned a lot from talking to people through voice and text communication. You may find this software useful.
TeamSpeak allows you to speak to a group of people. More information about TeamSpeak: http://www.teamspeak.com/
http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=downloads

Just download the client edition and install. Legal documentation for Teamspeak: http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=eula
Once you installed TeamSpeak, log into ts.learnnavi.org Port: 9987.
ts.learnnavi.org Port:9988 is the NgayNume project.

The main website: www.learnnavi.org , you can download the Na'vi dictionary and some more resources found on the http://wiki.learnnavi.org/index.php/Main_Page .

Feel free to ask for help. We are glad to help you along your journey. You can try creating sentences in Na'vi, you can learn about grammar and new words along the way.

 

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