Kaltxì!

[Sapient Navi]

I've managed one word so far because I heard it clearly in the movie which is:
Mawey(I say it like Maw as in maw and paw,then way) if this isnt right please let me know.

I would try to form a sentence like this without evening knowing the true meaning which I know I'll be wrong:
Kea uniltìrantokx tung mì Kelutrel!(No avatars allowed in Hometree!)
How far am I off? Probably a ways but it was fun .


Eywa ngahu frapo(Eywa be with you everyone?)

[Tsamsiyu92]

I've managed one word so far because I heard it clearly in the movie which is:
Maway(I say it like Maw as in maw and paw,then way) if this isnt right please let me know.

I would try to form a sentence like this without evening knowing the true meaning which I know I'll be wrong:
Kea uniltìrantokx tung mì Kelutrel!(No avatars allowed in Hometree!)
How far am I off? Probably a ways but it was fun .


Eywa ngahu frapo(Eywa be with you everyone?)

Isn't the word for hometree kelutra? (kelku+utral)
Mawey means calm, and is pronounced the way you say.

As for your other sentence, you could write

Eywa frapohu (l<iv>u)
Eywa be with everyone. (livu is optional, since it's obvius)

or.

Eywa ayngahu (l<iv>u)
Eywa be with you all.

[kewnya txamew'itan]

is pronounced the way you say.

No, it really isn't.

paw should rhyme with or, the ma in mawey should rhyme with casa (unfotunately we don't have a pure "a" in English) or be the same vowel as the start of I, if you I really long, the sound you make before you finish and move yur tongue up should be the a in ma.

wey should be pronounced the same as the English weigh.

I've managed one word so far because I heard it clearly in the movie which is:
Maway(I say it like Maw as in maw and paw,then way) if this isnt right please let me know.

I would try to form a sentence like this without evening knowing the true meaning which I know I'll be wrong:
Kea uniltìrantokx tung mì Kelutrel!(No avatars allowed in Hometree!)
How far am I off? Probably a ways but it was fun .


Eywa ngahu frapo(Eywa be with you everyone?)

It's spelt mawey, and kelutral as well.

Your first sentence needs an accusative suffix on uniltìrantokx to show that is the object of the allowing. Also, na'vi requires double negatives so you need to stick  a ke before tung as well. Lastly, nemfa is probably a better adposition, it means into, also, if you did use mì, it causes lenition which means some consonants change, there's a table in the na'vi in a nutshell guide, but the k in kelutral would become an h.

So it should be: kea uniltìrantokxit ke tung nemfa kelutral.

In your second sentence, Tsamsiyu92 has given you two correct sentences although you could also say eywa ayngahu ma frapo.

[Sapient Navi]

I did the paw with maw because some people may not know what maw is if they don't know country talk. "My maw and paw say I shouldn't do that."

Sorry I just realized I put an "a" instead of an "e" in Mawey.

kemeoauniaea I'm a lot confused about a lot you tried to explain. If you read my post in Introduced you would understand my issues slightly better.

The Na'vi Vocabulary says:
Kelutrel ['kɛl.u.tɾɛl] n. Hometree (tree for living in)

[Tsamsiyu92]

Blame some of the fanfic writers for "kelutrel". It's written like that in some of the fanfics.

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Blame some of the fanfic writers for "kelutrel". It's written like that in some of the fanfics.

It used to be thought to be correct. Like tsahaylu, fkeu, neu etc. but that's changed, it's not the fanfic's fault, they're just old.

[omängum fra'uti]

Kelutrel has always been a typo.  The other misspellings came from the ASG, but the ASG has "kelutral".

[Sapient Navi]

Is Learn Na'vi going to change there spelling in their vocab list?

[Muzer]

Don't use the LN vocab list - it's old, outdated and generally awful

Use Taronyu's dictionary instead - the thread called "our dictionary" stickied in the intermediate subforum - or you can download it directly from LN itself under downloads I believe.

[Sapient Navi]

That's strange I figure the site that goes with this forum would have the best vocab.

[omängum fra'uti]

There is work being done to update the LN vocab list, but at this time there's no definite date for it to be done.

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Kelutrel has always been a typo.  The other misspellings came from the ASG, but the ASG has "kelutral".

Oh, my mistake.

[Sapient Navi]

Thats good to hear omängum fra'uti!

When saying the word for eye Nari is the "r" kinda rolled? In the movie I keep hearing Zoe say it like Nah-de. I was thinking it was like Nah-re with the "r" kinda rolled.

btw what is this: (l<iv>u)

Eywa ngahu

[omängum fra'uti]

The r is "flapped".  Zoe can't roll her rs well, but she flaps like a champ.  A properly flapped r will sound something like a d.

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

Thats good to hear omängum fra'uti!

When saying the word for eye Nari is the "r" kinda rolled? I the money I keep hearing Zoe say it like Nah-de. I was thinking it was like Nah-re with the "r" kinda rolled.

'Nah-de' is closer to the correct pronunciation. The mistake I was making is thinking 'r' had to sound like 'r'. It is more like the 'tt' in 'butter' or the 'dd' in 'Cuddle'. And it was Omangum Frauti's patient teaching that helped me get this to work. Once you get the hang of it, it is (usually!) pretty easy.

btw what is this: (l<iv>u)

Eywa ngahu

Generally, this is how an 'infix' to a verb is indicated. Na`vi verbs are for the most part, inflected by including these infixes inside various parts of the word (as opposed to prefixes and suffixes, which go at the ends of a word). l<iv>u is the verb lu -- 'to be' with the subjunctive infix <iv> in it. However, in normal writing, where training is not the goal, it would be written simply 'livu'. The subjunctive infix is used in statements in which one is wishing, giving a command, etc. It essentially means that the verb's action is not certain or definite. In the case of Eywa frapohu livu, the subjunctive is used because you are well-wishing the blessings of Eywa on your readers. In most cases though, as pointed out here for a common greeting, the livu is not really needed.

Your first sentence needs an accusative suffix on uniltìrantokx to show that is the object of the allowing. Also, na'vi requires double negatives so you need to stick  a ke before tung as well. Lastly, nemfa is probably a better adposition, it means into, also, if you did use mì, it causes lenition which means some consonants change, there's a table in the na'vi in a nutshell guide, but the k in kelutral would become an h.

So it should be: kea uniltìrantokxit ke tung nemfa kelutral.

What kemeoauniaea is telling you here is a couple of things.

First of all, Na`vi has relatively free word order. English has highly constrained word order. Thus in English, the sentence 'John milked the cow' makes sense to us due to word order. 'Milked John the cow' does not make real sense. In this sample sentence, you have three parts. You have a subject (John), an action (milked) and an object (the cow). These terms have to be in this specific order in English. In Na`vi, they can be in any order (although word order is still important, in conveying the sense of what you are trying to say). But since you then don't know which word is the subject and which is the object, you need 'case markers'. The subject, or 'ergative' gets an l or an il at the end to indicate it is the subject. In this particular case, there is no marked subject, which kemeoauniaea can better address. (I am still learning too!) The uniltìrantokx is the object here, or the 'accusative case'. These get a t or an it or a ti at the end to mark them as objects. Thus uniltìrantokxit. With these cases marked, you can (almost) freely rearrange the words and still have the same basic sense of meaning.

Na`vi requires that negative words be doubled. This is hard to grasp in English, but many other languages (such as Greek) have double negatives. Thus, you have 'no' (kea) at the beginning of the sentence, and 'not' (ke) in the middle, fulfilling the double negative requirement.

Lastly, there is lenition. Certain prefixes, or words immediately preceeding a word, cause the first letter of the following word to change. This is to help with pronunciation. This process is called 'lenition'. It happens in English, too, but it is not real common. You also just automatically do it without thinking about it.

I strongly urge you to read the 'crash course in linguistic terminology' document, which can be found on the downloads page. Also download 'Na`vi in a Nutshell'. This document is a bit intimidating to a beginner, but covers virtually everything we currently know about the language. Taronyu's Dictionary is available in a number of places on the site, most notably on the home page. The link there takes you to the most up-to-date version, and it is exhaustively complete. (But it is more like a lexicon in the sense that it does not list all the many inflections that Na`vi words can take.)

It sounds like you have never learned a new language. But neither have I. So, this has made the learning both challenging and fun. Keep at it!

[Lisa]

Irayo, `Eylan Ayfalulukanä!  There have been many good explanations here but yours really resonated for me.   It's been over forty years since I've had grammar lessons, and my skills are pretty much nonexistent.  I know when something in English is right or wrong when I see/hear it, but I have no real clue as to exactly why it is right or wrong.

Your explanation has been really helpful.  I recently signed up for email ESL lessons, so as to relearn the bones of English; I'm hoping that will help me with Na'vi as well. 

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

Your explanation has been really helpful.  I recently signed up for email ESL lessons, so as to relearn the bones of English; I'm hoping that will help me with Na'vi as well. 

Just to think three months ago, I was not much better off than you. I do have some additional grammar training that I took in the process of learning how to effectively use original language Bible study tools. That was like 'basic concepts' compared to what I am learning here!

I, too am also now working on learning English grammar better, and have discovered a wonderful 'word play' book section at my local book store.

You indicated that you are taking an ESL course. What is your primary language?

[Lisa]

I, too am also now working on learning English grammar better, and have discovered a wonderful 'word play' book section at my local book store.

This sounds interesting... could you give me some examples of the books there?  That sounds like something I'd like to check out the next time I'm in a book store.

You indicated that you are taking an ESL course. What is your primary language?

Heh...my primary language is English.  Only formal instruction was in my childhood, and that's been about 40-45 years ago, and when I run into terms like "Topical/Genitive/Dative Affixes" I get confused.      I'm finding that the ESL materials are very helpful in identifying basic parts of English grammar, and since they are mostly written for adults, examples tend to be a little more advanced than "see Spot run". 

Although....a basal reader like "Fun with Dick and Jane" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_and_Jane) in Na'vi would be really cool. 

[Sapient Navi]

`Eylan Ayfalulukanä I know your probably explaining things very well, but I'm just not picking up on much of what you are saying. The language I've used all my life is English, but I apparently still only know the basics of it. I don't know what exactly a pronoun, adjective, and all those other things are but growing up with the language I can make sentences without knowing what those things are, but maybe I know what they are subconsciously. I'm the type of guy that has to hear the word or phrase clearly many times to be able to say it, then I would have to see how it is spelled many times in order to recognize it on paper and be able to write it. Like in Avatar when Zoe is leading Sam back to Hometree after seeing the sign from Eywa with the spirit seeds all over him when Sam gets his feet tangled with the ropes, then Zoe jumps down and says "Calm People, Calm." I managed to pick up on "Calm" because I would rewind the movie to hear her say it over and over, which I think as I said in my first post I hear it something like "Maw-way" for "Mawey" so after hearing her say it so many times I went to LearnNa'vi's Vocab list to learn how to spell it and thats how I learned my first Na'vi word or so I think.

I have also tried to slowly read the Na'vi in a nutshell and those other helpers files but I can't grasp it.
I think I'm one of those people have to learn each individual word first(how to say it and how to spell it) before I can start on the sentences and stuff.


Eywa ngahu(Eywa be with you?)(I can say Eywa, but I have no idea how to pronounce ngahu)

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Have you looked at the crash course in lingustic terminology?

It's one of the oldest documents on the site but should explain most of the linguistic terms we use.