Learning a spoken language when you have no-one to speak it to.

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kewnya txamew'itan

Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 17, 2010, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
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An alveolar consonant with the tongue at the front of the alveolar ridge (the ridge on the roof of your mouth just behind your teeth) whilst retroflex consonants are formed with the tongue curled back behind that ridge. I think I picked up the bad habit when first learning ejectives as it has a slightly stronger pop than a true tx, I'm trying to train myself to do a true tx but right now I'm having to make do with a postalveolar (a bit further back than a normal alveolar consonant, where the sound "sh" is articulated) ejective.

so retroflex sound like pop corn popping, while alveolar is the right tx?

I don't know if I'm pronouncing these correctly or not but th px is made by building up air behind closed lips and suddenly releasing it (sounds a little like the popping sound of popped corn.


The kx is made by taking the back of the tongue to the roof of your mouth and building up pressure there and then releasing it by making a small opening between my tongue and roof of the mouth (with mouth slightly open).
The tx is made by pushing the tongue to the front of your mouth with your teeth closed.  this creates a seal and you build up pressure in your mouth and pull your tongue back to release the pressure.


Your px and kx are probably good.

Your tx less so, yours is a weird dental and bidental plosive of some sort. The way Frommer like to teach ejectives is to say the ordinary letter with your breath held, then try to say it louder, it should be a bit poppy and it should be an ejective.

I'm not sure I'd say it sounds like pop corn, but the pop sounds stronger to me, but alveolar is the right one.
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txe'lan tírol

Quote from: Iawn Menari on June 17, 2010, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 17, 2010, 04:56:11 PM
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Quote from: Iawn Menari on June 17, 2010, 04:14:25 PM
i feel your pain on that one ma tsmuk.  not many of my friends are learning it...and we don't speak it much.  i try to speak it as much i can to nature, and my friends (though they have no idea what i'm saying lol)

Some of my friends think that it is kind of cool that I am interested in Na'vi, but they have little to no interest in learning it.  I know some other people that think it is just plain weird.

that about sums it up

I think it is sad that people think that someone is strange or weird when they take through interest in something.  especially when those judging your interests have a passion in something and think it is weird that you don't like what they like.

it is sad, however it is a part of life...nothing we can change about it.  all we can do is be ourselves ^_^
Eywa ngahu

Eywa ngahu ma smuke

tsmuke there is a t like with the japanese pronunciation ^_^

sorry, I miss typed the word

Iryao ma tsmuke

'Ì'awn Menari


Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 17, 2010, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: Iawn Menari on June 17, 2010, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 17, 2010, 04:56:11 PM
Quote from: Iawn Menari on June 17, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 17, 2010, 04:41:22 PM
Quote from: Iawn Menari on June 17, 2010, 04:31:16 PM
Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 17, 2010, 04:27:03 PM
Quote from: Iawn Menari on June 17, 2010, 04:14:25 PM
i feel your pain on that one ma tsmuk.  not many of my friends are learning it...and we don't speak it much.  i try to speak it as much i can to nature, and my friends (though they have no idea what i'm saying lol)

Some of my friends think that it is kind of cool that I am interested in Na'vi, but they have little to no interest in learning it.  I know some other people that think it is just plain weird.

that about sums it up

I think it is sad that people think that someone is strange or weird when they take through interest in something.  especially when those judging your interests have a passion in something and think it is weird that you don't like what they like.

it is sad, however it is a part of life...nothing we can change about it.  all we can do is be ourselves ^_^
Eywa ngahu

Eywa ngahu ma smuke

tsmuke there is a t like with the japanese pronunciation ^_^

sorry, I miss typed the word

Iryao ma tsmuke

it is no trouble at all ma tsmuk.  i hate it when it does that ;)
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Eywa ngahu! =D

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txe'lan tírol

Quote from: Tompa'Ivong on June 17, 2010, 05:06:56 PM
think of eye of the tiger

what im playing right now

nothing is impossible when you put your mind to something

~rain blossom

Tompa'Ivong

If Rocky can do it then so can we!

'Oma Tirea

Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:59:22 PM
Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 17, 2010, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on June 17, 2010, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:00:55 PM
An alveolar consonant with the tongue at the front of the alveolar ridge (the ridge on the roof of your mouth just behind your teeth) whilst retroflex consonants are formed with the tongue curled back behind that ridge. I think I picked up the bad habit when first learning ejectives as it has a slightly stronger pop than a true tx, I'm trying to train myself to do a true tx but right now I'm having to make do with a postalveolar (a bit further back than a normal alveolar consonant, where the sound "sh" is articulated) ejective.

so retroflex sound like pop corn popping, while alveolar is the right tx?

Your px and kx are probably good.

Your tx less so, yours is a weird dental and bidental plosive of some sort. The way Frommer like to teach ejectives is to say the ordinary letter with your breath held, then try to say it louder, it should be a bit poppy and it should be an ejective.

I'm not sure I'd say it sounds like pop corn, but the pop sounds stronger to me, but alveolar is the right one.

I don't know if I'm pronouncing these correctly or not but th px is made by building up air behind closed lips and suddenly releasing it (sounds a little like the popping sound of popped corn.


The kx is made by taking the back of the tongue to the roof of your mouth and building up pressure there and then releasing it by making a small opening between my tongue and roof of the mouth (with mouth slightly open).
The tx is made by pushing the tongue to the front of your mouth with your teeth closed.  this creates a seal and you build up pressure in your mouth and pull your tongue back to release the pressure.


I found you don't neccesarily have to have your jaw closed all the way.  It's all in the tounge for tx.  the only exception might be if the tx was dental, as opposed to alveolar or postalveolar.

In any case, I wouldn't worry about it too much.  Dental, alveolar and postalveolar t and tx are all allophones.
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kewnya txamew'itan

Quote from: lapo lesxkxawng on June 18, 2010, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:59:22 PM
Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 17, 2010, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on June 17, 2010, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:00:55 PM
An alveolar consonant with the tongue at the front of the alveolar ridge (the ridge on the roof of your mouth just behind your teeth) whilst retroflex consonants are formed with the tongue curled back behind that ridge. I think I picked up the bad habit when first learning ejectives as it has a slightly stronger pop than a true tx, I'm trying to train myself to do a true tx but right now I'm having to make do with a postalveolar (a bit further back than a normal alveolar consonant, where the sound "sh" is articulated) ejective.

so retroflex sound like pop corn popping, while alveolar is the right tx?

Your px and kx are probably good.

Your tx less so, yours is a weird dental and bidental plosive of some sort. The way Frommer like to teach ejectives is to say the ordinary letter with your breath held, then try to say it louder, it should be a bit poppy and it should be an ejective.

I'm not sure I'd say it sounds like pop corn, but the pop sounds stronger to me, but alveolar is the right one.

I don't know if I'm pronouncing these correctly or not but th px is made by building up air behind closed lips and suddenly releasing it (sounds a little like the popping sound of popped corn.


The kx is made by taking the back of the tongue to the roof of your mouth and building up pressure there and then releasing it by making a small opening between my tongue and roof of the mouth (with mouth slightly open).
The tx is made by pushing the tongue to the front of your mouth with your teeth closed.  this creates a seal and you build up pressure in your mouth and pull your tongue back to release the pressure.


I found you don't neccesarily have to have your jaw closed all the way.  It's all in the tounge for tx.  the only exception might be if the tx was dental, as opposed to alveolar or postalveolar.

In any case, I wouldn't worry about it too much.  Dental, alveolar and postalveolar t and tx are all allophones.

Sorry, that's not my post. That was all in a quote and I had a post explaining that that wasn't right but that all seems to have gone, no idea what happened there.
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Muzer

Learn to nest quotes properly, kemeoauniaea, it takes me ages to find your posts sometimes and when I do it's hard to see who you're referring to...
[21:42:56] <@Muzer> Apple products used to be good, if expensive
[21:42:59] <@Muzer> now they are just expensive

kewnya txamew'itan

Quote from: Muzer on June 18, 2010, 05:45:47 PM
Learn to nest quotes properly, kemeoauniaea, it takes me ages to find your posts sometimes and when I do it's hard to see who you're referring to...

Gah!! I've only ever done that on this forum, I've no idea why, it really irritates me when other people do it too, I'll try and fix them.

Edit: I think I've fixed them, I'm going to be really careful from now on.
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txo nga new oehu pivlltxe nìna'vi, nga oer 'eylan si mì fayspuk (http://bit.ly/bp9fwf)
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Muzer

I think the problem is that on this forum you don't get shown your post after you post it, and it's too much effort to look at it manually (for me, anyway).
[21:42:56] <@Muzer> Apple products used to be good, if expensive
[21:42:59] <@Muzer> now they are just expensive

txe'lan tírol

Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:59:22 PM
Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 17, 2010, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on June 17, 2010, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on June 17, 2010, 04:00:55 PM
An alveolar consonant with the tongue at the front of the alveolar ridge (the ridge on the roof of your mouth just behind your teeth) whilst retroflex consonants are formed with the tongue curled back behind that ridge. I think I picked up the bad habit when first learning ejectives as it has a slightly stronger pop than a true tx, I'm trying to train myself to do a true tx but right now I'm having to make do with a postalveolar (a bit further back than a normal alveolar consonant, where the sound "sh" is articulated) ejective.

so retroflex sound like pop corn popping, while alveolar is the right tx?

I don't know if I'm pronouncing these correctly or not but th px is made by building up air behind closed lips and suddenly releasing it (sounds a little like the popping sound of popped corn.


The kx is made by taking the back of the tongue to the roof of your mouth and building up pressure there and then releasing it by making a small opening between my tongue and roof of the mouth (with mouth slightly open).
The tx is made by pushing the tongue to the front of your mouth with your teeth closed.  this creates a seal and you build up pressure in your mouth and pull your tongue back to release the pressure.


Your px and kx are probably good.

Your tx less so, yours is a weird dental and bidental plosive of some sort. The way Frommer like to teach ejectives is to say the ordinary letter with your breath held, then try to say it louder, it should be a bit poppy and it should be an ejective.

I'm not sure I'd say it sounds like pop corn, but the pop sounds stronger to me, but alveolar is the right one.

I don't mean just like pop corn.  I was saying out of the three that I think that one sounds the most like it.  I also just re-analized me saying the tx letter and it seems that my tongue is not touching my teeth but the roof of my mouth behind my teeth but right before the ridges in my mouth.

txe'lan tírol

Quote from: Muzer on June 18, 2010, 06:04:11 PM
I think the problem is that on this forum you don't get shown your post after you post it, and it's too much effort to look at it manually (for me, anyway).

I know that it is a little annoying to see all the quotes nested inside each other but at least you can see the full conversation of a certain topic within a thread.  It also tells you who the original post was made by and when it was made so you can follow who is saying what.

'Oma Tirea

Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 18, 2010, 09:56:29 PM
Quote from: Muzer on June 18, 2010, 06:04:11 PM
I think the problem is that on this forum you don't get shown your post after you post it, and it's too much effort to look at it manually (for me, anyway).

I know that it is a little annoying to see all the quotes nested inside each other but at least you can see the full conversation of a certain topic within a thread.  It also tells you who the original post was made by and when it was made so you can follow who is saying what.

It can also get quite hectic sometimes....
@Muzer: Are you sure you can't see the preview button?

Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 18, 2010, 09:51:30 PM

I don't mean just like pop corn.  I was saying out of the three that I think that one sounds the most like it.  I also just re-analized me saying the tx letter and it seems that my tongue is not touching my teeth but the roof of my mouth behind my teeth but right before the ridges in my mouth.

That ridge you are thinking of is called the alveolar ridge.
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txe'lan tírol

Quote from: lapo lesxkxawng on June 19, 2010, 01:58:55 AM
Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 18, 2010, 09:51:30 PM
I don't mean just like pop corn.  I was saying out of the three that I think that one sounds the most like it.  I also just re-analized me saying the tx letter and it seems that my tongue is not touching my teeth but the roof of my mouth behind my teeth but right before the ridges in my mouth.
That ridge you are thinking of is called the alveolar ridge.

Iryao for teaching me the technical term.  Also, does it seem like I am pronouncing it correctly based on my description?

'Oma Tirea

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ÌTXTSTXRR!!

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kewnya txamew'itan

Quote from: Muzer on June 18, 2010, 06:04:11 PM
I think the problem is that on this forum you don't get shown your post after you post it, and it's too much effort to look at it manually (for me, anyway).

Most other forums I use don't show it to you and I still manage and both of those are also simple machines ones.

Quote from: txe'lan tirol on June 18, 2010, 09:51:30 PM
[snip]

I don't mean just like pop corn.  I was saying out of the three that I think that one sounds the most like it.  I also just re-analized me saying the tx letter and it seems that my tongue is not touching my teeth but the roof of my mouth behind my teeth but right before the ridges in my mouth.

Ok, that sounds right then.
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txe'lan tírol

It has been nice to get feedback on my pronunciation and limited understanding of Na'vi.  Is there anyone here that would like to meet up or chat over teamspeak?