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Lesson Blog
« on: May 01, 2016, 06:49:13 pm »
This is a first attempt for a coursebook-like lesson

https://navilesson.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/first-blog-post/

Feedback required :)

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2016, 10:38:51 pm »
This is a first attempt for a coursebook-like lesson

https://navilesson.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/first-blog-post/

Feedback required :)

I'm still very new here, and this is one of the first resources that hasn't left me feeling very confused and lost (and as a writer and literature scholar, that's not a feeling I'm fond of!). I will definitely be adding this to my learning and checking in as this blog is updated and it looks fantastic so far! Irayo!


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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 10:50:11 pm »
This is a first attempt for a coursebook-like lesson

https://navilesson.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/first-blog-post/

Feedback required :)
I've just discovered this. Thanks for posting! I fully agree with everything you've posted there and admire your most professional work there on that blog. 100% on point. Slightly technical, but not to where it's not understandable. Great work. Hope to see more! Clearly you have a linguistics background, which in the current state of things makes it easier to learn Na'vi language on your own. I'm glad you've joined the effort to help others learn!

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 03:40:15 am »
Thank you guys, that's exactly what I needed to hear :D

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 07:51:07 am »
Second lesson posted.

https://navilesson.wordpress.com/2016/05/02/muvea-sanumvi/

It has been a laborious task. Further updates will be much later

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 07:56:12 am »
Second lesson posted.

https://navilesson.wordpress.com/2016/05/02/muvea-sanumvi/

It has been a laborious task. Further updates will be much later
One question: I've noticed you have adopted one of our ancient conventions which is to use the acúte accent for stress. What happens when the stressed vowel is ä or ì? :D

Edit: also, the stress of oe is on the o. Unless a case is added then it is on the e, causing it to be pronounced as for example wel, wéti, wéru, etc. :)
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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 08:06:33 am »
I plan to use conventions such as ǐ and ȁ.

Thanks, I will correct it asap

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2016, 08:09:46 am »
I plan to use conventions such as ǐ and ȁ.

Thanks, I will correct it asap
Interesting. I've never seen that before. Cool solution!

Awesome. Keep 'em comin! This stuff is gold and reminds me of old times. :')

May be worth creating a new forum thread somewhere about this blog if people want to talk about it on the forum rather than in the blog comments. :)

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2016, 10:29:22 am »
Edit: also, the stress of oe is on the o. Unless a case is added then it is on the e, causing it to be pronounced as for example wel, wéti, wéru, etc. :)
Then, it seems that the stress (underlined) I've written in my pronoun guide is incorrect? Or I am not awake enough to understand what do you mean with this. :S

When I have worked on the frequency dictionary, I so much hated that people used acute and stuff... lol. ;D

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2016, 01:24:41 pm »
Edit: also, the stress of oe is on the o. Unless a case is added then it is on the e, causing it to be pronounced as for example wel, wéti, wéru, etc. :)
Then, it seems that the stress (underlined) I've written in my pronoun guide is incorrect? Or I am not awake enough to understand what do you mean with this. :S

When I have worked on the frequency dictionary, I so much hated that people used acute and stuff... lol. ;D
I don't know how to be more clear.

See the IPA:



And listen to the Ma Sempul speech again. Paul said oe and oel in there a number of times. You'll hear exactly what I mean.

http://masempul.org/upxare-niinglisi/
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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2016, 01:31:26 pm »
I plan to use conventions such as ǐ and ȁ.

Thanks, I will correct it asap
Interesting. I've never seen that before. Cool solution!

This is also something I wanted to address…

This is of course a very personal opinion but I think it does more harm than good. Stylistically I thought it made reading Na’vi very confusing when people used it a few years ago. Also remember how long it took for people to forget/relearn that it is not *tsmuké à la tuté. I see the advantage to use it for the initial lessons but I strongly suggest to not use it in longer texts. It’s just something – albeit creative – that people have to ‘unlearn’ at a certain point in their Na’vi proficency…

Edits:

Be careful not to confuse awnga and oeng, they are not the same! Awnga = ayoeng “we all” (inclusive), oeng = “you and me”

“well” is tse, not *tsa

And also be careful with the agentive exercise – the root verbs are srung si (not *srungsi) and *tsam si is not yet attested.

And “we are both hunters” is oeng taronyu lu – the koren ayholpxayä states that you need to refer to number only once if it refers to the same entity. So, no dual required.

They are very useful lessons, however, ma Mech and I salute you for the effort you take to produce something new! :D
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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2016, 01:38:45 pm »
I plan to use conventions such as ǐ and ȁ.

Thanks, I will correct it asap
Interesting. I've never seen that before. Cool solution!

This is also something I wanted to address…

This is of course a very personal opinion but I think it does more harm than good. Stylistically I thought it made reading Na’vi very confusing when people used it a few years ago. Also remember how long it took for people to forget/relearn that it is not *tsmuké à la tuté. I see the advantage to use it for the initial lessons but I strongly suggest to not use it in longer texts. It’s just something – albeit creative – that people have to ‘unlearn’ at a certain point in their Na’vi proficency…

Yes, this is true. It makes sense at first, but indeed the canon lexicon only has ä and ì as officially recognized accented characters. (Not sure what to say about tuté, since this is literally the single one word that has that. It used to be pointed out on purpose that tute and tute are different based on stresses syllables. Then one day someone decided that é exists for that one word? ??? O__o)

The current widespread convention for visualizing stress is underlines. Frommer usually capitalizes all the letters in the stressed syllable. In fact, why not use caps like that or underlines? WordPress also has that [ u ] button on the editor. :)

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2016, 02:22:15 pm »
@Tirea, I don't mean "oe" I meant the stress in oeti, oeyä etc (oe with case endings) :)

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2016, 02:38:41 pm »
@Tirea, I don't mean "oe" I meant the stress in oeti, oeyä etc (oe with case endings) :)
Yes. Any suffix on oe causes a stress shift. Just like how any infix causes a stress shift in omum. :)

(Does this thread need multiple splits now? HRH)

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2016, 04:09:47 pm »
I love that some folks are picking up the mantle of creating new ways to LEARN the Na'vi language. Irayo!

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2016, 04:23:20 pm »
I love that some folks are picking up the mantle of creating new ways to LEARN the Na'vi language. Irayo!

I'd like to remind potential instructors that the LearnNavi dedicated WebEx server is available to those with sufficient proficiency to teach. If you are unfamiliar with WebEx, it is an industry-standard, online and real-time meeting and collaboration resource. Audio- and video-conferencing, desktop sharing and a whiteboard are all tools available. PM me for more information.

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Awwww duuuude I didn't know we have WebEx! :D

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2016, 04:27:15 pm »
And “we are both hunters” is oeng taronyu lu – the koren ayholpxayä states that you need to refer to number only once if it refers to the same entity. So, no dual required.
Thanks for the corrections, I needed them. Wow, now this means that I must remove all the references to the dual and leave them for some later lesson. I thought it was too early for dual, lenition etc anyway, but it will need some rewriting. :)

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2016, 04:33:24 pm »
I love that some folks are picking up the mantle of creating new ways to LEARN the Na'vi language. Irayo!

I'd like to remind potential instructors that the LearnNavi dedicated WebEx server is available to those with sufficient proficiency to teach. If you are unfamiliar with WebEx, it is an industry-standard, online and real-time meeting and collaboration resource. Audio- and video-conferencing, desktop sharing and a whiteboard are all tools available. PM me for more information.

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Awwww duuuude I didn't know we have WebEx! :D

We gottes all the toys!  You are already in the membergroup and should see the Webex presenters board.

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2016, 05:08:24 pm »
How do I get there again? :S

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Re: Lesson Blog
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2016, 10:01:58 pm »
I'd like to inform that I removed references to the dual, and I added the matter of <ei> and verbal infixes. I also enriched the exercises.

A kind reader commented asking what can be done with checking the exercise answers. Any ideas? Perhaps in public discussion?
« Last Edit: May 02, 2016, 10:11:32 pm by Mech »

 

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