Lu fì'u sìltsan aylì'u?

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guest2859

Honestly, I have no idea what I'm doing. But one question, is the Na'vi language the same structure as the english language, like the basic subject and verb?

(ADJ)(ADJ)(NOUN)(VERB)(ADV)(ADV)

So yeah, I take help and will be in this thread. Tell me if the title (I couldn't find the right words, I hope the language keeps being built upon) and the structure is right.

Toruk Taronyu

Regarding your title, literally you're saying "Are this good words?" which isn't grammatically correct, or really what you're trying to say.

My guess is you're trying at something like "Is this how I use words?" (Tell me if I'm I not understanding your intent correctly.)  My approach would be,
"Plltxe oe fìfya srak?"
"Speak I like this (question)"
"Is this how I speak?"

Remember that any yes/no question is said like the sentence as a statement, with "srak" added at the end.
Oel tsayeie'a nìmun ngati!

guest2859

Quote from: Toruk Taronyu on January 29, 2010, 11:19:29 PM
Regarding your title, literally you're saying "Are this good words?" which isn't grammatically correct, or really what you're trying to say.

My guess is you're trying at something like "Is this how I use words?" (Tell me if I'm I not understanding your intent correctly.)  My approach would be,
"Plltxe oe fìfya srak?"
"Speak I like this (question)"
"Is this how I speak?"

Remember that any yes/no question is said like the sentence as a statement, with "srak" added at the end.

Yeah, I typed that because my computer has a lag when reading PDF's, so I was having trouble finding the right words. And yeah, I meant to say "Is this how I speak?".

NeotrekkerZ

You could also say:

P<er>lltxe oel lì'fyu le-Na'vi nì-muiä srak?
Am I speaking the Na'vi language correctly?

This is a bit more advanced, but I thought I'd give you an example.
Rìk oe lu hufwemì, nìn fya'ot a oe tswayon!

Hawnuyu atxen

Just 2 things:
1. it's lì'fya (language)
2. i think you need an accusative suffix (-ti/-it/-t), but i don't know if on lì'fya, or on lena'vi...
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

Nikre tsa'usìn!

Eight

Quote from: Arcringno on January 29, 2010, 11:00:27 PM
But one question, is the Na'vi language the same structure as the english language, like the basic subject and verb?
(ADJ)(ADJ)(NOUN)(VERB)(ADV)(ADV)
Not really, no.

You need to start working through the grammar guides (see links to useful documents sticky / pocket guide etc. etc.)

Toruk Taronyu

Quote from: Hawnuyu atxen on January 30, 2010, 07:06:32 AM
2. i think you need an accusative suffix (-ti/-it/-t), but i don't know if on lì'fya, or on lena'vi...

"t" suffix goes on lì'fya because it's the noun, and leNa'vi is the adjective.  Not sure if it's lì'fyat or lì'fyati.  I don't really know how to tell.
Oel tsayeie'a nìmun ngati!

Hawnuyu atxen

Yeah, you're (seem to be for me) right.
I'd say that it's the "-ti", but i (we?) don't know what's the difference...
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

Nikre tsa'usìn!

guest2859

Okay, Second try:

Lu oe san fì'u muiä?

(Show criticism, it helps)

Hawnuyu atxen

I'd rather go with "plltxe" (speak), or "san si" (saying do/make) instead of just san (it means saying/ quote).
Oh, and you don't nedd "lu" for this sentence :D If you want to make it imperfective use <er>!
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

Nikre tsa'usìn!

guest2859

I don't really understand the <> attachments. I've seen them, but never really understood when to use them.

Tsamsteu

correct, san is a noun for a saying or quote, so i would agree with using the verb plltxe.

Oe-l nì-muiä Na'vi-t p<er>lltxe srak?

ERG  ADV      ACC    IMPF    

I   properly   Na'vi   speaking, yes or no?

Am I speaking Na'vi correctly?

The <er> is the infix for imperfect verb tense. If you'd like to learn about infixes, i'd suggest looking over this pdf: http://content.learnnavi.org/taronyu/Inflections.pdf   :)
"You have a strong heart; no fear. But stupid, ignorant like a child." - Neytiri

Neytiri, oeyä tsmuke, oel ngati kameie....

guest2859

So, I don't need the imperfect verb tense if I want to learn the 'formal' Na'vi language?

Tsamsteu

..well i'm not sure if you're talking about formal vs informal, but you could use <er> in either sense. Example of <er> in an informal setting:

I am hunting, my brother.

Oe t<er>aron ma tsmukan.

       IMPF

But if you want to learn about the inflections, i'd check out the link i posted before. Helped me a lot.
"You have a strong heart; no fear. But stupid, ignorant like a child." - Neytiri

Neytiri, oeyä tsmuke, oel ngati kameie....

guest2859

Okay, now it makes more sense. So...

Oe f<er>mi nì-muiä plltxe Na'vi.

I literally have no idea anymore. :-X

Hawnuyu atxen

As i know, it should be "fm<er>i", other way it's good :D
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

Nikre tsa'usìn!

guest2859

Oh yeah, I read it wrong. So, you to to the first vowel in the verb and put the inflection before it?

Eight

Quote from: Tsamsteu on January 30, 2010, 12:07:25 PM
correct, san is a noun for a saying or quote
San is a particle used for reporting direct speech

oe-l nga-hu p<am>eng san this is a particle used for reporting direct speech sik.
I-ERG you-DAT tell-PAST (quote) load of skxawng words (unquote)
I said you to "this is a particle used for reporting direct speech"

BTW Arcringno, the < >s are just used in this beginners forum to show where a verb infix has been placed.

Hawnuyu atxen

And for answering your question: yeah, you have to put the infixes before the first vowel (if it's in the first or second position... see Taronyu's great "Inflections"-guide!!!) [if i'm right, the third position is before the last vowel...]
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

Nikre tsa'usìn!

guest2859

Quote from: Eight on January 30, 2010, 01:03:32 PMBTW Arcringno, the < >s are just used in this beginners forum to show where a verb infix has been placed.

Yeah, I knew that, I was just putting them in to make sure I had the inflection in the right place.