Na'vi attempt

Started by Makto ko!, February 02, 2010, 01:53:50 PM

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Makto ko!

Hey you guys here on the forum. This is my first attempt at writing a Na'vi sentence. Useful things: correction, and how to use trillenear gloss? Here goes:

Oe t<ìrm>aron yerik (with) ma ikran<-ä>.
I was just hunting hexapede (with) my ikran.

Eywa ngahu.

Edit: Please could someone tell me Na'vi for 'with' and its correct uses? And also trillinear gloss?
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Hawnuyu atxen

Kaltxì!

Your sentence should be:

Oel tìrmaron yerikit oeyä ikranhu.
i was jst hunting yerik with my ikran

with is the prefix "-hu"
for example: Eywa ngahu.
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

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wm.annis

Quote from: Makto ko! on February 02, 2010, 01:53:50 PMPlease could someone tell me Na'vi for 'with' and its correct uses?

There are two words that answer to English "with."  The first, hu is for accompaniment, the idea of "together with."  The second is fa, which is used for the instrument or tool you do something with; the ASG dictionary gives the definition as "with (by means of)."

These words are both adpositions.  They're like prepositions in English, except they can come either before or after the word they go with.  When they come before, they are written separately.  When the come after, they are written attached to the word.  So:

  oel tamaron hu 'eylan oeyä I hunted with my friend, or
  oel tamaron 'eylanhu oeyä I hunted with my friend vs.

  oel tamaron fa tukru oeyä I hunted with my spear, or
  oel tamaron tukrufa oeyä I hunted with my spear.

It is not clear to me if a Na'vi would prefer hu or fa for hunting with their ikran.  I suspect hu.

Hawnuyu atxen

I too, since they don't think of ikrans as tools, but as friends, or partners in flying.
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

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Makto ko!

Irayo, I understand the bit about Ikran-<hu>, it is saying Ikran was included in the action.
But would you care to explain about why Yerik changes to Yerik<it>, and ma to oe<yä>? I know oe is I. But -yä?

Eywa ngahu.
Also you know you were talking about Eywa ngahu?
Is -hu with and nga you or be?
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Hawnuyu atxen

Well, -ä/-yä/-eyä are the forms of genitive suffixes (ä when the word ends in a consonant, yä when in a vowel and eyä on pronouns: oeyä)

The -it on ikran is the accusative suffix, and see the first "oe" it has an -l on it, which is the ergative suffix
(for example: "Oel ngati kameie" - i see you, i'm the one who's doing something to you)

"Eywa ngahu" means "Eywa be with you", literaly "Eywa with you", so ngahu is with you
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

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wm.annis

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Quote from: Makto ko! on February 02, 2010, 02:10:44 PMBut would you care to explain about why Yerik changes to Yerik<it>,

What languages have you studied?

Edit: Never mind.  Erimeyz has been working on a beginner's textbook for Na'vi over on the wiki.  I know it's still in the editing phase, but you might find much in it useful.  It will explain what the endings are for a few lessons in.

http://wiki.learnnavi.org/index.php?title=User:Erimeyz/Beginners%27_Guide

Hawnuyu atxen

Man... that was mean... are we here for english, or for na'vi lessons??? !!! :D
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

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wm.annis

Quote from: Hawnuyu atxen on February 02, 2010, 02:20:32 PM
Man... that was mean... are we here for english, or for na'vi lessons??? !!! :D

It wasn't meant to be!  I mean, they could know all of English, French and Chinese, and still never have encountered a declined noun.  Knowing what they know helps me come up with examples.

Hawnuyu atxen

Okay, i understand...
Otherwise, i'm just a learner of english too, so... :D
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

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Makto ko!

 :D Haha, irayo, I will look at the wiki.

Also, Hawnuyu, I understand what you said, I obviously just need to memorise Inflections, they are so annoying and hard to memorise, but I did understand about ergative case (person initiating the action), accusative case (action being performed on) and genitive case (affected by the action). Also, would the change of Ikran to Ikranhu be the topical case of the sentence (used to complete the action/involved in the action)?  ???

Irayo, eywa ayngahu, ma smuktu.
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Hawnuyu atxen

The topical case (which i haven't understand yet.......) is the -ri/-ìri pair (ìri for consonant ending).
The "hu" simply express accompaniment.
"Hrrap rä'ä si olo'ur smuktuä." ; "Ke'u ke lu ngay. Frakemit tung." (Assassin's Creed)

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