"Oh-No and No-Thanks"

[Random Dude]

Kaltxì everyone, I was wondering if the English idiom, "oh-no" could be said in na'vi as simply as "Nang kehe", or if there was something more I need to do to it... same with "no thanks" would it be, "kehe irayo"? If I'm sounding stupid right now Oeru txoa livu  I do not know if this was already discussed or not for I have not had the chance to see this entire Great site as of yet...
Kìyevame

[NeotrekkerZ]

nang has to come at the end of the sentence (AFAIK).  "kehe nang" would translate more like "No!" in response to seeing something all of a sudden.
kehe irayo is the best we have right now.

[omängum fra'uti]

Nang is also used with nìtxan, not on it's own as far as we know.  The idioms are, of course, suffering the issue you always run into translating an idiom.

[Random Dude]

cool, thanks so much for the info. can't wait for this to get larger in funtionality... if that makes sence

[Tsamsiyu92]

No thanks may be easier to translate and make sense with

no, but thanks. or something, i don't really know.

[Ftiafpi]

Yeah, I think "no thanks" would probably best translate to "kehe, slä irayo" or maybe more proper "kehe, slä ngaru seiyi irayo".

"Oh-no" is more like "this is not good!" Not really sure the best way to render that into Na'vi though.

[Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan]

^Like they said above, idioms in our language is always harder to translate into Na'vi. I do like kehe, slä irayo for no thanks though.

[Random Dude]

ooo, good stuff, irayo... that info is goin' in "the big book of na'vi lang."  little sothing i'm using to organise all the new stuff i learn... more just a pile of papers right now rather than "book", lol

[Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan]

Believe me, it starts as a random assortment of papers, but after awhile, it all becomes coherent. The language does the same soon after.

[Tsuksìm atsawl (KaPTan)]

Just wondering, but wouldn't it be (for no thanks) kehe, slä ayirayo.  after all, the thanks is plural, or you could just go with "kehe irayo nga" (no thank you).  I'm not sure if that is gramatically correct in Na'vi or not, but it makes sense to me.

[Random Dude]

makes sence to me to... but is it correct for the lang? that's a good question, thanks for the input .

[NeotrekkerZ]

You're treating irayo like a noun, it's not.  It's an interjection which can mean "thanks" or "thank you."

[Tsuksìm atsawl (KaPTan)]

:O.  I see it that cute litte "i" after irayo now, thanks a ton mate, sorry for my mistake

[NeotrekkerZ]

No need to apologize for mistakes, we've all made (and sometimes still do make) them.  We're all here to learn.  In fact a lot of our language updates are the result of these mistakes/general confusion.

[Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan]

makes sence to me to... but is it correct for the lang? that's a good question, thanks for the input .

Yes, literally it made sence, but for Na'vi it doesn't, but Neo explained that already. As a general rule, you have to break down what you are saying in English into noun, verbs, etc. and then translate that into Na'vi, making sure you follow lenition rules.

[Tsuksìm atsawl (KaPTan)]

Wait, whats with the lenition?  it would have no consequence to the current post seeing as irayo has nothing to lenize.  Unless of course you are just saying that for a general guideline.

[KxanìaTaronyu]

Just wondering, but wouldn't it be (for no thanks) kehe, slä ayirayo.  after all, the thanks is plural, or you could just go with "kehe irayo nga" (no thank you).  I'm not sure if that is gramatically correct in Na'vi or not, but it makes sense to me.

You're treating irayo like a noun, it's not.  It's an interjection which can mean "thanks" or "thank you."

Basically exactly what Neo said, but 'Kehe irayo nga' would literally translated to: "No thankyou you."
which obviously doesn't make much sense, but you could change it so it was something like: "kehe irayo ma sa'nok/sempul" or any other name...

[Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan]

Wait, whats with the lenition?  it would have no consequence to the current post seeing as irayo has nothing to lenize.  Unless of course you are just saying that for a general guideline.

Yes, that was a general guideline.

Just wondering, but wouldn't it be (for no thanks) kehe, slä ayirayo.  after all, the thanks is plural, or you could just go with "kehe irayo nga" (no thank you).  I'm not sure if that is gramatically correct in Na'vi or not, but it makes sense to me.

You're treating irayo like a noun, it's not.  It's an interjection which can mean "thanks" or "thank you."

Basically exactly what Neo said, but 'Kehe irayo nga' would literally translated to: "No thankyou you."
which obviously doesn't make much sense, but you could change it so it was something like: "kehe irayo ma sa'nok/sempul" or any other name...

THe post you are talking about, what he suggested was this:
Kehe, slä irayo, which means;
No, but thanks/thank you.

I don't know about you guys, but that seems to make sense.

[NeotrekkerZ]

Look at your quote box.  The first version he had "kehe slä ayirayo."  That's what we were responding to.

[Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan]

Ah, lol, my bad, I thought we were talking about Ftiafpi's contribution, which took the ay- away.