Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread

[Tirea Aean]

Pelun ke tsun fko pivlltxe san tskofa tem? Nìngay lì'fyari leRuski tsafya fko plltxe...

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Why we could not say «tskofa tem»? Actually we say so in Russian.

Fì-kem tsunslu tì'efu-mì oe-yä. Ral slu nì'Ìnglìsì san shoot a bow (shoot with a bow).

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This is possible, in my opinion. The meaning in English would be to shoot a bow (shoot with a bow).

[Tirea Aean]

Karyu Pawl-ìl awnga-ru t<alm>ìng tìkenong-it
fìtsenge: http://naviteri.org/2010/09/getting-to-know-you-part-3/

holpxay mrrvolaw. Oe tskxekeng si säsulìnur alu tsko swizaw.

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Teacher Paul has already given us an example.
here: (not putting redundant url in spoiler )
41.  I practice my hobby, which is archery.

Tolel! Oe zerok set. Irayo. Nga-ru tìyawr. Hufwa Ke ralp<ol>eng po nìfya'o a-hìno.

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Oh! I remember now. Thanks. You're right. Although He didn't translate precisely.

[Eana Unil]

Eltur tìtxen si. Tskofa tem, srak? Suneiu oeru.

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Interesting. To shoot with (the help of) a bow? I like that.

Oe säpawm ftxey fnayan oel futa tsko swizaw fuke 
Ngian, furia tsko swizaw sayunu oer ulte layu 'o' nìtxan 'efu am'ake oe nìwotx.

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I'm asking myself (I wonder) whether I'll be good at archery or not
However, I'm totally sure that I will like it and that it will be a lot of fun.

[Tirea Aean]

Oe päpawm ftxey fnayan oel futa tsko swizaw fuke  
Ngian, furia tsko swizaw sayunu oer ulte layu 'o' nìtxan 'efu am'ake oe nìwotx.

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I'm ask myself (I wonder) whether I'll be good at archery or not
However, I'm totally sure that I will like it and that it will be a lot of fun.

Oeri nìteng. Oeru ke lu skxom apxay fte tsakem sivi alu tem tskofa. Oel fpìl futa oeru sunatsu nìteng. Frakrr oeru lam 'o'.

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Me too. I don't have many chances to do that, to shoot a bow. I think I might like it too. It always seemed fun to me.

[Alyara Arati]

Kaltxì frapo,
Oeru txoa livu, slä tsun aynga txuvila fìkìng nìnän ep'ang?

I'm sorry but can we take this down a couple of notches? I am a total beginner and from what I see right now, it makes me even more apprehensive to post. I am not confident in my abilities as it is and to see all this nìNa'vi nì'aw talk flying around doesn't help either. For people like me, it just widens the gap even more, I'm sorry to say this. I am very good with Memrise but when it comes down to putting it all together I fail miserably. And the thing that actually works for me is the one thing I am not allowed to do here; to write Na'vi'ìnglìsì because it allows me to "ease" into it more gradually without feeling so inadequate.

English is actually required here, in spoiler tags. click on the spoilers.

Actually this is interesting as i've been reading all the posts via email ( which for me is sometimes easier. )
and tbh they hit the nail right on the head. I think you will find that Karyu Pawl said this is EXACTLY the kinda thing that people might say if they see TONS of comments on his blog in nìNa'vi. I forget if it was on his blog i read his comment or if it was on that Nova site with the recent documentary about him.. but he clearly said that those not yet familiar but wanting to learn might feel separated or alienated vs those that are reasonably fluent. I think that's even why this forum has a Beginners , intermediate, Advanced, and nìNa'vi nì'aw.  
Edit : I found it.

http://naviteri.org/2010/06/irayo-thank-you-and-some-miscellaneous-thoughts/
"Na'vi-only comments have both pros and cons:

PROS: They reinforce the idea that Na'vi is not a game but a means of genuine communication. They also give writers a chance to use their Na'vi in a public way and give others a chance to practice their reading comprehension. Providing an English translation of every Na'vi post would defeat those purposes. (For example, it's hard to resist going immediately to the translation rather than puzzling out the Na'vi for yourself without help, a more productive activity.) They also give beginners a sense of how far some Community members have come and provide the incentive for them to get there themselves.

CONS: Na'vi-only comments are directed to a relatively small audience (assuming the blog will eventually get traffic from newcomers!) and create the sense of insiders vs. outsiders. They can be off-putting to new arrivals and curious people who have not yet learned much, if anything, of the language, who might react to the blog with, "Whoa. This is much too advanced for me." And they might also imply that posters who write in English only are somehow not measuring up."

Ma Swoka, aysäplltxevi ngeyä, oe 'efu keftxo nì'aw.  It is true that I encourage you strongly not to use Na'vinglish.  But I don't mean for this to scare anyone.  Yes, some of the sentences used here are complex.  And that could be simplified.  For example:

Oeyä palukantsyìp lu layon.  My cat is black.
Po taron nìltsan.  She hunts well.
Slä po lu hì'i nìtxan.  But she is very small.
Ngian, peyä aysre' lu apxa sì teyr.  However, her teeth are big and white.
Syaw poru Paikea.  She is called Paikea.

[Kemaweyan]

tsakem sivi alu tem tskofa

Tse.. lam oer fwa ke tsun fko pivlltxe tsafya. Fpìl oel futa zenke fko sivung -a- ne kemlì'u alu si, nì'aw ne tstxolì'u. Ha, tem tskofa lu a fìkem sivi a fìlì'fyavi tsun livu eyawr. Ngian kop ke sunu oer kaw'it lì'fyavi alu tem tskofa lu... Skxakep sweylu fwa poltxe san tivem tskofa sìk, kefyak? Nga plltxe teri kem, kea teri lì'u fu pam tseyä. Ha ral lì'uä tsranten...

Nìsung oeri eltur tìtxen si fya'o a sivung aylì'ut ne kemlì'u a hu si. Natkenong:

  [namew srekrr a fìkem] si oe
  [fìkem a namew srekrr] si oe
  oe [fìkem] si [a namew srekrr]

Nìngay lam oer fwa syena tìkenong keyawr lu. 'Awvea pum skxakep lu eyawr. Ulte pumìri amuve ke omum oe..

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Well.. It seems that you can't say so. I think, we can't add -a- to verbs with si, only to nouns. So, phrase «tem tskofa lu a fìkem sivi» could be correct. But I also don't like phrase «tem tskofa lu»... Perhaps you should say «tivem tskofa», right? You're talking about an action, not about a word or its sound. So the meaning is important.

Besides I'm curious how to add words to verbs with si. For example:

  [namew srekrr a fìkem] si oe
  [fìkem a namew srekrr] si oe
  oe [fìkem] si [a namew srekrr]

Actually it seems that last example is wrong. First one perhaps is correct. And I don't know about second one...

[Tirea Aean]

tsakem sivi alu tem tskofa

Tse.. lam oer fwa ke tsun fko pivlltxe tsafya. Fpìl oel futa zenke fko sivung -a- ne kemlì'u alu si, nì'aw ne tstxolì'u. Ha, tem tskofa lu a fìkem sivi a fìlì'fyavi tsun livu eyawr. Ngian kop ke sunu oer kaw'it lì'fyavi alu tem tskofa lu... Skxakep sweylu fwa poltxe san tivem tskofa sìk, kefyak? Nga plltxe teri kem, kea teri lì'u fu pam tseyä. Ha ral lì'uä tsranten...

Nìsung oeri eltur tìtxen si fya'o a sivung aylì'ut ne kemlì'u a hu si. Natkenong:

  [namew srekrr a fìkem] si oe
  [fìkem a namew srekrr] si oe
  oe [fìkem] si [a namew srekrr]

Nìngay lam oer fwa syena tìkenong keyawr lu. 'Awvea pum skxakep lu eyawr. Ulte pumìri amuve ke omum oe..

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Well.. It seems that you can't say so. I think, we can't add -a- to verbs with si, only to nouns. So, phrase «tem tskofa lu a fìkem sivi» could be correct. But I also don't like phrase «tem tskofa lu»... Perhaps you should say «tivem tskofa», right? You're talking about an action, not about a word or its sound. So the meaning is important.

Besides I'm curious how to add words to verbs with si. For example:

  [namew srekrr a fìkem] si oe
  [fìkem a namew srekrr] si oe
  oe [fìkem] si [a namew srekrr]

Actually it seems that last example is wrong. First one perhaps is correct. And I don't know about second one...

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You can also use alu conversationally as an "explainer," in the sense of "that is to say" or "in other words":

[Ngawng]

Oe päpawm ftxey fnayan oel futa tsko swizaw fuke  
Ngian, furia tsko swizaw sayunu oer ulte layu 'o' nìtxan 'efu am'ake oe nìwotx.

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I'm ask myself (I wonder) whether I'll be good at archery or not
However, I'm totally sure that I will like it and that it will be a lot of fun.

Oeri nìteng. Oeru ke lu skxom apxay fte tsakem sivi alu tem tskofa. Oel fpìl futa oeru sunatsu nìteng. Frakrr oeru lam 'o'.

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Me too. I don't have many chances to do that, to shoot a bow. I think I might like it too. It always seemed fun to me.

Mamay' oe fìkem alu sar tskxo swizawit alo a'a'aw, krr a oe lu 'eveng. Tsakem si oe krr a numtsengä sute sop fte tì'awm si. Lu ngäzìk nìtxan, slä lu 'o' nìtxan!

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I have tried archery a few times, when I was a child. I did it on school camp. It's really difficult, but really fun!

[Kemaweyan]

You can also use alu conversationally as an "explainer," in the sense of "that is to say" or "in other words":

Srane, irayo. Ngian, tì'efumì oeyä, ral fìlì'uä a mì sìkenong keteng lu:

  Txoa livu, yawne lu oer Sorewn . . . alu . . . ke tsun oeng muntxa slivu.

Tslam oe fìfya: [yawne lu oer Sorewn] a faylì'uä ral lu fwa ke tsun oeng muntxa slivu. Slä ngeyä lì'fyavimì alu [oeru ke lu skxom apxay fte tsakem sivi] a faylì'uä ral lu fwa tem tskofa ke tsun fko tsafya pivlltxe, kefyak?

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Yes, thanks. But IMO the meaning of this word in example differs:

  Txoa livu, yawne lu oer Sorewn . . . alu . . . ke tsun oeng muntxa slivu.

I understabd it as [yawne lu oer Sorewn] a faylì'uä ral lu fwa ke tsun oeng muntxa slivu. But in your sentence [oeru ke lu skxom apxay fte tsakem sivi] a faylì'uä ral lu fwa tem tskofa we can't say so, right?

[Tirea Aean]

You can also use alu conversationally as an "explainer," in the sense of "that is to say" or "in other words":

Srane, irayo. Ngian, tì'efumì oeyä, ral fìlì'uä a mì sìkenong keteng lu:

  Txoa livu, yawne lu oer Sorewn . . . alu . . . ke tsun oeng muntxa slivu.

Tslam oe fìfya: [yawne lu oer Sorewn] a faylì'uä ral lu fwa ke tsun oeng muntxa slivu. Slä ngeyä lì'fyavimì alu [oeru ke lu skxom apxay fte tsakem sivi] a faylì'uä ral lu fwa tem tskofa ke tsun fko tsafya pivlltxe, kefyak?

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Yes, thanks. But IMO the meaning of this word in example differs:

  Txoa livu, yawne lu oer Sorewn . . . alu . . . ke tsun oeng muntxa slivu.

I understabd it as [yawne lu oer Sorewn] a faylì'uä ral lu fwa ke tsun oeng muntxa slivu. But in your sentence [oeru ke lu skxom apxay fte tsakem sivi] a faylì'uä ral lu fwa tem tskofa we can't say so, right?

Hmmm... srane.. tam. tslolam. Ngaru tìyawr. irayo. +1

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Hmmm... yeah.. ok. I got it. YOu're right. Thanks. +1

[Kamean]

Kaltxì ma frapo!
Tsole'a oel rusìka relit alu Game of Thrones ulte sunu oer nìtxan. Sunu ngar fìpum nìteng?

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Hello everyone!
I watched the movie Game of Thrones, and I really liked it. You, too?

[Tirea Aean]

Kaltxì ma frapo!
Tsole'a oel rusìka relit alu Game of Thrones ulte sunu oer nìtxan. Sunu ngar fìpum nìteng?

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Hello everyone!
I watched the movie Game of Thrones, and I really liked it. You, too?

Kaltxì! Tsat ke tsole'a oel mi.

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Hi! I still haven't seen that.

[Kemaweyan]

Kaltxì, ma tsmukan. Oe nìteng nari ke tolìng rsarelur arusikx, slä tsame'a oel ro fängkxotsengo alahe futa pamrel si suteo san tsantsana rel arusikx

Tìsung. Set tslolam oel teyngta pelun nga ke zarma'u trro

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Hi, brother. I did not watch that too, but I saw that some people on another forum write that it's excellent.

P.S. Now I understand why you did not come for a few days

[Eana Unil]

Kaltxì ma smuk,

oe tolìng nari fìrelur arusikx alu Game Of Thrones. Slä 'awvea ayhapxì nì'aw. Samunu oer Sweylu txo aynga tivìng nari pumur, tì'efumì oeyä, pum lu txantsan.

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I watched this moving picture Game Of Thrones. But only the first part (season). I liked it You should watch it, in my opinion, it's nice.

[Ngawng]

Oe-l t<ìy>ìng nari-t tsa-r pxiset

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I'm just about to watch it right now

[hemmond]

Oe tìamng nari alu Game of Thrones 'awve mune aypapxì sre nìpxay aytrr. Pum lu txantsan nìtxan.

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I saw Game of Thrones first two seasons many days ago. It's very excelent!

[Eana Unil]

Oe tìamng nari alu Game of Thrones 'awve mune aypapxì sre nìpxay aytrr. Pum lu txantsan nìtxan.

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I saw Game of Thrones first two seasons many days ago. It's very excelent!

Tìyawrìri pivlltxe oe san Oe tamìng nari 'awvea mehapxìru fìrelä arusikx alu Game Of Thrones kam pxaya trr. Pum lu txantsan nìwotx.

Fko tsun pivlltxe lì'ut alu nìtxan a livu eyawr a fì'ut oel fpìl, slä tì'efumì oeyä lì'u alu nìwotx livu me'em nì'ul.

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As for correctness I'd say "..."

One could say the word "nìtxan", which would be corret, I think, but in my opinion the word "nìwotx" would be more harmonious.

Don't forget that building plural (me-, pxe-, ay-, ...) causes Lenition
Adjectives need -a- towards "their" noun, like in ean-a unil ... unil a-ean, e.g.

nì- Adverbs need a verb they relate to, trr is a noun. In your example kam pxaya trr would be correct.
Note: Although you could think that pxay/hol force you to build plural out of the noun they relate to (pxay-a/hol-a ay-srr), this is not the case, because many/few e.g. make clear right away, that the noun is plural nonetheless. Hope this makes sense, today my English is just horrible, txoa. ^^

'awvea mehapxì, srak? Txantsan, nì'aw tolìng nari oe 'awvea hapxìru vay set. Sweylu txo vivar nivìn oe.

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The first two seasons (parts)? Cool, I've only watched the first season until now. I should continue watching.

[Kamean]

Oe tamìng nari 'awvea mehapxìru ulte tseyea pxeyvea.
'Ava hapxìtsyìp mì fratrrkive.

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I watched the first two seasons and now watch the third.
One series per week.

[Ngawng]

Lu mowan oe-r tsa-tuté alu Tenerìsì, po l<ei>u sevin nì-txan nang. Lu sute-ru alu Tosraki lì'fya a eltu-r tì-txen si, kefyak?

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I really like Daenerys, she's very pretty :3 The Dothraki people have an interesting language, don't you think?

[Eana Unil]

Sran, oe mllteie ngahu nìwotx Tenerìsì lu sevin, seykxel yueysì nìtxan ulte Tosìraki leiu me'em, slä sunu oeru lìfya leNa'vi nì'ul nìtxan.

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Yes, I agree with you completely Daenerys is very pretty, strong (inner strength) and beautiful (inner beauty) and Dothraki sounds great, but I like the Na'vi language way more