Author Topic: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread  (Read 121354 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Tirea Aean

  • The Blue One
  • Olo'eyktan Anawm
  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 9914
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 243
  • Oeri ran lu srung
    • Tirea Aean
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #180 on: May 17, 2013, 06:28:31 pm »
Ma smukan smukesì.
Oeri eltur tìtxen si tìpawm a teri tìralpeng aylì'fyaviyä. Tsun aynga ralit tslirvam nìyawr oeyä aylì'fyaviyä awawnan a oe ralpeng ta leRuskia lì'fya mì le'Ìnglìsìa pum fa ralpengyu a ta Google srak? Oe perawm fì'uteri taluna inan tìralpengit ayngeyä aylì'fyaviyä nìRuski a krr tsun tslirvam nì'aw hapxìt a munea pan 'upxarey lu. Kop molay' oe ivinan oeyä aylì'fyavit akrrmaw ralpameng sa'ut ta le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fya mì leRuskia pum , kum lolu teng. Nìwotx ralit oel tsleram nìlun, slä nivew ivomum tsat nì'ul sì nìswey. Ha oe fmayi nivume le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyati.

Oe tsun tsl<iv>am.

« Last Edit: May 17, 2013, 07:31:45 pm by Tirea Aean »

kelku ikranä a hawnventi yom podcast (na'vi-only): https://tirearadio.com/podcast
Learn Na'vi Discord Chat: https://discord.gg/WF6qcmv

Offline Blue Elf

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 5499
  • cz Czech Republic
  • Karma: 112
    • My attempt for blog
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #181 on: May 17, 2013, 07:16:34 pm »
I also have not watched the moving picture, Game of Thrones.

Many people tell me these words, if you like a person in this story, always that person dies soon.

Is this thing true?
ke ts<ol>e'a oel fì-rel-it a-r<us>ikx, slä oe-l inan puk-it. Lu keftxo-a tìngay nì'aw fwa sute a-sìltsan t<er>erkup nìwin sì pxìm...

Nìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!
« Last Edit: May 17, 2013, 07:23:15 pm by Blue Elf »
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Offline Alyara Arati

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 2736
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 126
  • Arati te Nguran Liyanin'ite
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #182 on: May 17, 2013, 07:46:30 pm »
Nìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!

Tewti.  'Efu oe nitram fwa ngaru lolu 'o' tsaultxa.

Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Offline Blue Elf

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 5499
  • cz Czech Republic
  • Karma: 112
    • My attempt for blog
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #183 on: May 17, 2013, 08:02:23 pm »
Nìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!

Tewti.  'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

Irayo. Nìngay sunu oeru.
As oe already occupies place for subject, fwa can't be used. Topical works here. Also, isn't missing -a- on the adjective? I would say it is.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Offline Kemaweyan

  • Eywatsyìp
  • ******
  • *
  • Posts: 14675
  • ua Ukraine
  • Karma: 240
  • Swirä letxon
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #184 on: May 18, 2013, 05:06:59 am »
Ma smukan smukesì.
Oeri eltur tìtxen si tìpawm a teri tìralpeng aylì'fyaviyä. Tsun aynga tslirvam nìyawr oeyä ralit aylì'fyaviyä awawnan a oel ralpeng ta leRuskia lì'fya ne le'Ìnglìsìa pum fa ralpengyu a ta Google srak? Oe perawm fì'uteri taluna inan tìralpengit ayngeyä aylì'fyaviyä nìRuski a krr tsun tslirvam nì'aw hapxìt a munea pan 'upxarey lu. Kop molay' oe ivinan oeyä aylì'fyavit akrrmaw ralpameng sa'ut ta le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fya ne leRuskia pum, kum lolu teng. Nìwotx ralit oel tsleram nìlun, slä nivew ivomum tsat nì'ul sì nìswey. Ha oe fmayi nivume le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyati.

Nìlun fìtìpawmìri sweylu txo 'iveyng sute a plltxe nì'Ìnglìsì :) Oel nì'aw keyeyti wolìntxu, txo lu tìpawm - rutxe pivawm :)

Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Offline Alyara Arati

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 2736
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 126
  • Arati te Nguran Liyanin'ite
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #185 on: May 18, 2013, 05:41:32 am »
Nìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!

Tewti.  'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

Irayo. Nìngay sunu oeru.
As oe already occupies place for subject, fwa can't be used. Topical works here. Also, isn't missing -a- on the adjective? I would say it is.
:-[  And your translation of the second part of the sentence is definitely correct as "you had a fun meetup".  Yet this raises a question for me, which I will ask about in Intermediate...
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Offline Vawmataw

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 6199
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 100
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #186 on: May 18, 2013, 08:37:21 am »
Tewti.  'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

:D

Slä fkol yem lì'uti alu furia sko lì'u a'awve, kefyak?
Tì'efumì oeyä, oe kan pamrel sivi lì'fyavi alu Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram.


Furia ngaru, ma Blue Elf, lolu tì'o' aysutehu fìtsaultxamì, tsaw lu sìltsan. Poltxe nga nì'it nìToitsye srak?
« Last Edit: May 18, 2013, 08:44:08 am by Kameyu a Kepekmì »
Fmawn Ta 'Rrta - News every weekend IN NA'VI ONLY
Omatikayan Memes Center

Offline Alyara Arati

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 2736
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 126
  • Arati te Nguran Liyanin'ite
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #187 on: May 18, 2013, 08:55:20 am »
I think you're right.

'Efu oe nitram talun ngaru lolu 'o' tsaultxa. = I feel happy because that meetup was fun for you.
'Efu oe nitram talun ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa. = I feel happy because you had that fun meetup.

If you're look at the last clause, you see that in first sentence the verb lu is a part of complex predicate lu 'o', but in second one - the part of expression ngaru lu (you have). We can't understand first sentence as "you have", because in this case there is orphaned adjective 'o'.

P.S. IMO, Ngaru lolu 'o' tsaultxa a fì'uri 'efu oe nitram or 'Eykefu oeti nitram fula ngaru lolu 'o' tsaultxa seem more natural :)

Topical must go at the beginning of the clause (except for poetry and song), but not always at the beginning of the sentence, although in my opinion that often sounds better.  As you can see, there is always more than one way to say a thing. :)
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Offline Kemaweyan

  • Eywatsyìp
  • ******
  • *
  • Posts: 14675
  • ua Ukraine
  • Karma: 240
  • Swirä letxon
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #188 on: May 18, 2013, 09:06:03 am »
Slä mì lì'fyavi ngeyä kxeyey fkeytok nìngay ;)

  'Efu oe nitram fì'uri a ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

Ha tsal tok tì'i'at lì'fyaviyä :)

Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Offline Vawmataw

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 6199
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 100
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #189 on: May 18, 2013, 09:19:12 am »
Quote from:  Deleted post of Eana Unil
Pelun ke plltxe nìftue san 'eykefu oeti nitram fula ngaru lolu 'o'a ultxa;)
Pelun ke p<iv>lltxe nìftue san '<eyk>efu oe-ti nitram fì'u-l a (= fula) nga-ru l<ol>u 'o'-a ultxa?

Ngaru tìyawr.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2013, 09:22:42 am by Kameyu a Kepekmì »
Fmawn Ta 'Rrta - News every weekend IN NA'VI ONLY
Omatikayan Memes Center

Offline Swoka Tsamsiyu

  • Uniltìranyu
  • **
  • Posts: 131
  • Karma: 6
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #190 on: May 18, 2013, 09:51:14 am »
Kaltxì ma frapo,
Last post I see the word <tìyawr>. I learned from my Memrise <eyawr> is right, correct. So what's this tì thingie and why is it there. And why did the "e" disappear? Is that because of lenition? :-\

Offline Vawmataw

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 6199
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 100
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #191 on: May 18, 2013, 09:56:50 am »
Tìyawr is a noun that means correctness.
  • Tì- is a suffix that can make nouns
  • The letter e is removed, maybe because there can't be a vowel (y is not really a vowel). I don't know exactly.

Eyawr is an adjective.
Fmawn Ta 'Rrta - News every weekend IN NA'VI ONLY
Omatikayan Memes Center

Offline Tìtstewan

  • LearnNavi Zeykoyu
  • Toruk Makto
  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 9846
  • de Germany
  • Karma: 324
  • Ke lu oeru kea krr krrtalun!
    • My YouTube Channel
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #192 on: May 18, 2013, 11:52:42 am »
Note that tì- is not completely productive.

  • The letter e is removed, maybe because there can't be a vowel (y is not really a vowel). I don't know exactly.
Example: eyktan or omum

Only Pawl can create new word with tì- ;)
« Last Edit: May 18, 2013, 11:59:47 am by Tìtstewan »

-| Dict-Na'vi.com | Na'viteri Files | FAQ | LM | Puk Pxaw 'Rrta | Kem si fu kem rä'ä si, ke lu tìfmi. |-

Offline Kamean

  • Eywatsyìp
  • ******
  • *
  • Posts: 10804
  • Karma: 64
  • Oe lu tute a tsun stivawm Eywayä mokrit
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #193 on: May 18, 2013, 01:27:39 pm »
Quote
Nìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!
Tsaultxari atxantsan 'efu oe nitram. :D
Quote
Only Pawl can create new word with tì-
Nìngay srak? :o
Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Offline Alyara Arati

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 2736
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 126
  • Arati te Nguran Liyanin'ite
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #194 on: May 18, 2013, 01:32:06 pm »
Slä mì lì'fyavi ngeyä kxeyey fkeytok nìngay ;)

  'Efu oe nitram fì'uri a ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

Ha tsal tok tì'i'at lì'fyaviyä :)


'ä'!  Tsatsenge oel sivar lì'ut alu talun, taluna fì'ul oeru tìng yayayrit nì'it... :-[ :-[ :-[

Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Offline Blue Elf

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 5499
  • cz Czech Republic
  • Karma: 112
    • My attempt for blog
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #195 on: May 18, 2013, 03:54:42 pm »
Slä fkol yem lì'uti alu furia sko lì'u a'awve, kefyak?
Tì'efumì oeyä, oe kan pamrel sivi lì'fyavi alu Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram.
Yes. And no.
As I understand it, topical goes at the beginning of the sentence. But, it can consist of main sentence and subordinates and because they can be connected by more ways, more positions are possible.
'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa. -> I feel happy regarding you had fun meeting.
Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram. -> As for that you had fun meeting, I feel happy.
Sentence order is different, but topical always stands as first in the sentence.
Quote
'Efu oe nitram fì'uri a ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.
fì'uri a = furia; that's just furia written in non-contracted form :)

But why shouldn't be possible:
ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa a fì'uri 'Efu oe nitram ? As fwa/fula/futa can be moved at the end of sentence as a fì'u/a fì'ul/a fì'ut, why not topical?
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Offline Alyara Arati

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 2736
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 126
  • Arati te Nguran Liyanin'ite
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #196 on: May 18, 2013, 05:14:08 pm »
Tse, n<ol>ew oe p<iv>lltxe san furia s<ol>alew me-hintrr ulte mi rey fì-kìng, 'efu oe nitram sìk.

Irayo ma frapo, ulte sìlpey oe tsnì fì'u v<iv>ar l<iv>u 'o' ay-nga-ru.

Krro krro oe-l tswa' futa zene oe pamrel s<iv>i fì-fyä fa ay-lì'u a-fyin.  Ngaytxoa.

Slä oe sunu fwa frapo l<er>u lemweypey sì tstunwi nì-txan nì-txin. :-*

Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Offline Vawmataw

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 6199
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 100
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #197 on: May 18, 2013, 05:26:53 pm »
Tse, n<ol>ew oe p<iv>lltxe san furia s<ol>alew me-hintrr ulte mi rey fì-kìng, 'efu oe nitram sìk.

Irayo ma frapo, ulte sìlpey oe tsnì fì'u v<iv>ar l<iv>u 'o' ay-nga-ru.

Krro krro oe-l tswa' futa zene oe pamrel s<iv>i fì-fyä fa ay-lì'u a-fyin.  Ngaytxoa.

Slä oe sunu fwa frapo l<er>u lemweypey sì tstunwi nì-txan nì-txin. :-*

Kea tìkin. Lolu ngar sìltsana säfpìl, kop tìng ngaru karmati oe talun fìkìng. ;) Set, frapo tsun pivängkxo ulte nivume.  :D

« Last Edit: May 18, 2013, 05:31:19 pm by Kameyu a Kepekmì »
Fmawn Ta 'Rrta - News every weekend IN NA'VI ONLY
Omatikayan Memes Center

Offline Tirea Aean

  • The Blue One
  • Olo'eyktan Anawm
  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 9914
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 243
  • Oeri ran lu srung
    • Tirea Aean
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #198 on: May 18, 2013, 06:33:01 pm »
Kaltxì ma frapo,
Last post I see the word <tìyawr>. I learned from my Memrise <eyawr> is right, correct. So what's this tì thingie and why is it there. And why did the "e" disappear? Is that because of lenition? :-\


Quote
Only Pawl can create new word with tì-
Nìngay srak? :o


Kehe, ke lu ngay nìwotx taluna tsun ayhapxìtu LEP-ä m<iv>ok tsa-fne-lì'u-ti. Slä zene Pawl m<iv>ll'an.


Slä fkol yem lì'uti alu furia sko lì'u a'awve, kefyak?
Tì'efumì oeyä, oe kan pamrel sivi lì'fyavi alu Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram.
Yes. And no.
As I understand it, topical goes at the beginning of the sentence. But, it can consist of main sentence and subordinates and because they can be connected by more ways, more positions are possible.
'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa. -> I feel happy regarding you had fun meeting.
Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram. -> As for that you had fun meeting, I feel happy.
Sentence order is different, but topical always stands as first in the sentence.


Quote
But why shouldn't be possible:
ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa a Fì'uri 'efu oe nitram ? As fwa/fula/futa can be moved at the end of sentence as a fì'u/a fì'ul/a fì'ut, why not topical?


Tse, n<ol>ew oe p<iv>lltxe san furia s<ol>alew me-hintrr ulte mi rey fì-kìng, 'efu oe nitram sìk.

Irayo ma frapo, ulte sìlpey oe tsnì fì'u v<iv>ar l<iv>u 'o' ay-nga-ru.

Krro krro oe-l tswa' futa zene oe pamrel s<iv>i fì-fyä fa ay-lì'u a-fyin.  Ngaytxoa.

Slä oe sunu fwa frapo l<er>u lemweypey sì tstunwi nì-txan nì-txin. :-*

Kea tìkin. Lolu ngar sìltsana säfpìl, kop tìng ngaru karmati oe talun fìkìng. ;) Set, frapo tsun pivängkxo ulte nivume.  :D


Kameyuhu mllte oe. :D


kelku ikranä a hawnventi yom podcast (na'vi-only): https://tirearadio.com/podcast
Learn Na'vi Discord Chat: https://discord.gg/WF6qcmv

Offline Tìtstewan

  • LearnNavi Zeykoyu
  • Toruk Makto
  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 9846
  • de Germany
  • Karma: 324
  • Ke lu oeru kea krr krrtalun!
    • My YouTube Channel
Re: Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread
« Reply #199 on: May 19, 2013, 10:19:31 am »
Quote
Only Pawl can create new word with tì-
Nìngay srak? :o


Kehe, ke lu ngay nìwotx taluna tsun ayhapxìtu LEP-ä m<iv>ok tsa-fne-lì'u-ti. Slä zene Pawl m<iv>ll'an.

Tse, oel omum.  :) Tì- ke lu lesar nìwotx. Fì'u oeyä syon lolu. ;)

-| Dict-Na'vi.com | Na'viteri Files | FAQ | LM | Puk Pxaw 'Rrta | Kem si fu kem rä'ä si, ke lu tìfmi. |-

 

Become LearnNavi's friend on Facebook Follow LearnNavi on Twitter! Watch LearnNavi's videos on YouTube

SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
Privacy Policy
| XHTML | RSS | WAP2 | Site Rules

LearnNavi is not affiliated with the official Avatar website,
James Cameron, LightStorm Entertainment or The Walt Disney Company.
All trademarks and servicemarks are the properties of their respective owners.
Images in the LearnNavi.org Forums and Gallery may not be used without permission.

LearnNavi Affiliates:
ToS

LearnNavi is the community to learn Na'vi, the Avatar Language
"A place where real friendships are made." -Paul Frommer

AvatarMeet | Learn Na'vi Forum | Learn Na'vi Wiki | Na'viteri

LearnNavi