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Tirea Aean

#180
Quote from: Tay'waro on May 17, 2013, 10:58:02 AM
Ma smukan smukesì.
Oeri eltur tìtxen si tìpawm a teri tìralpeng aylì'fyaviyä. Tsun aynga ralit tslirvam nìyawr oeyä aylì'fyaviyä awawnan a oe ralpeng ta leRuskia lì'fya mì le'Ìnglìsìa pum fa ralpengyu a ta Google srak? Oe perawm fì'uteri taluna inan tìralpengit ayngeyä aylì'fyaviyä nìRuski a krr tsun tslirvam nì'aw hapxìt a munea pan 'upxarey lu. Kop molay' oe ivinan oeyä aylì'fyavit akrrmaw ralpameng sa'ut ta le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fya mì leRuskia pum , kum lolu teng. Nìwotx ralit oel tsleram nìlun, slä nivew ivomum tsat nì'ul sì nìswey. Ha oe fmayi nivume le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyati.

Oe tsun tsl<iv>am.


Blue Elf

#181
Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 15, 2013, 01:17:55 AM
I also have not watched the moving picture, Game of Thrones.

Many people tell me these words, if you like a person in this story, always that person dies soon.

Is this thing true?
ke ts<ol>e'a oel fì-rel-it a-r<us>ikx, slä oe-l inan puk-it. Lu keftxo-a tìngay nì'aw fwa sute a-sìltsan t<er>erkup nìwin sì pxìm...

Nìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Alyara Arati

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 17, 2013, 07:16:34 PM
Nìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!

Tewti.  'Efu oe nitram fwa ngaru lolu 'o' tsaultxa.

Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Blue Elf

Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 17, 2013, 07:46:30 PM
Quote from: Blue Elf on May 17, 2013, 07:16:34 PM
Nìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!

Tewti.  'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

Irayo. Nìngay sunu oeru.
As oe already occupies place for subject, fwa can't be used. Topical works here. Also, isn't missing -a- on the adjective? I would say it is.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Kemaweyan

Quote from: Tay'waro on May 17, 2013, 10:58:02 AM
Ma smukan smukesì.
Oeri eltur tìtxen si tìpawm a teri tìralpeng aylì'fyaviyä. Tsun aynga tslirvam nìyawr oeyä ralit aylì'fyaviyä awawnan a oel ralpeng ta leRuskia lì'fya ne le'Ìnglìsìa pum fa ralpengyu a ta Google srak? Oe perawm fì'uteri taluna inan tìralpengit ayngeyä aylì'fyaviyä nìRuski a krr tsun tslirvam nì'aw hapxìt a munea pan 'upxarey lu. Kop molay' oe ivinan oeyä aylì'fyavit akrrmaw ralpameng sa'ut ta le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fya ne leRuskia pum, kum lolu teng. Nìwotx ralit oel tsleram nìlun, slä nivew ivomum tsat nì'ul sì nìswey. Ha oe fmayi nivume le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyati.

Nìlun fìtìpawmìri sweylu txo 'iveyng sute a plltxe nì'Ìnglìsì :) Oel nì'aw keyeyti wolìntxu, txo lu tìpawm - rutxe pivawm :)

Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Alyara Arati

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 17, 2013, 08:02:23 PM
Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 17, 2013, 07:46:30 PM
Quote from: Blue Elf on May 17, 2013, 07:16:34 PM
Nìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!

Tewti.  'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

Irayo. Nìngay sunu oeru.
As oe already occupies place for subject, fwa can't be used. Topical works here. Also, isn't missing -a- on the adjective? I would say it is.
:-[  And your translation of the second part of the sentence is definitely correct as "you had a fun meetup".  Yet this raises a question for me, which I will ask about in Intermediate...
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Vawmataw

#186
Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 17, 2013, 07:46:30 PM
Tewti.  'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

:D

Slä fkol yem lì'uti alu furia sko lì'u a'awve, kefyak?
Tì'efumì oeyä, oe kan pamrel sivi lì'fyavi alu Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram.


Furia ngaru, ma Blue Elf, lolu tì'o' aysutehu fìtsaultxamì, tsaw lu sìltsan. Poltxe nga nì'it nìToitsye srak?
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Alyara Arati

Quote from: Kemaweyan on May 18, 2013, 06:29:40 AM
I think you're right.

'Efu oe nitram talun ngaru lolu 'o' tsaultxa. = I feel happy because that meetup was fun for you.
'Efu oe nitram talun ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa. = I feel happy because you had that fun meetup.

If you're look at the last clause, you see that in first sentence the verb lu is a part of complex predicate lu 'o', but in second one - the part of expression ngaru lu (you have). We can't understand first sentence as "you have", because in this case there is orphaned adjective 'o'.

P.S. IMO, Ngaru lolu 'o' tsaultxa a fì'uri 'efu oe nitram or 'Eykefu oeti nitram fula ngaru lolu 'o' tsaultxa seem more natural :)

Topical must go at the beginning of the clause (except for poetry and song), but not always at the beginning of the sentence, although in my opinion that often sounds better.  As you can see, there is always more than one way to say a thing. :)
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~ Leonardo da Vinci

Kemaweyan

Slä mì lì'fyavi ngeyä kxeyey fkeytok nìngay ;)

  'Efu oe nitram fì'uri a ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

Ha tsal tok tì'i'at lì'fyaviyä :)

Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Vawmataw

#189
Quote from:  Deleted post of Eana Unil
Pelun ke plltxe nìftue san 'eykefu oeti nitram fula ngaru lolu 'o'a ultxa;)
Pelun ke p<iv>lltxe nìftue san '<eyk>efu oe-ti nitram fì'u-l a (= fula) nga-ru l<ol>u 'o'-a ultxa?

Ngaru tìyawr.
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Swoka Tsamsiyu

Kaltxì ma frapo,
Last post I see the word <tìyawr>. I learned from my Memrise <eyawr> is right, correct. So what's this tì thingie and why is it there. And why did the "e" disappear? Is that because of lenition? :-\

Vawmataw

Tìyawr is a noun that means correctness.

  • Tì- is a suffix that can make nouns
  • The letter e is removed, maybe because there can't be a vowel (y is not really a vowel). I don't know exactly.

Eyawr is an adjective.
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Tìtstewan

#192
Note that tì- is not completely productive.

Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on May 18, 2013, 09:56:50 AM

  • The letter e is removed, maybe because there can't be a vowel (y is not really a vowel). I don't know exactly.
Example: eyktan or omum

Only Pawl can create new word with tì- ;)

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Kamean

QuoteNìvingkap, oe t<ìm>ätxaw ta txin-a tsray Toitslan-ä alu Berlin. Ultxa eylan-ä Uniltìrantokx-ä l<ol>u txantsan nì'aw. Furia ts<ol>un oe p<iv>ängkxo hu Pawl 'efu oe nitram!
Tsaultxari atxantsan 'efu oe nitram. :D
QuoteOnly Pawl can create new word with tì-
Nìngay srak? :o
Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Alyara Arati

Quote from: Kemaweyan on May 18, 2013, 09:06:03 AM
Slä mì lì'fyavi ngeyä kxeyey fkeytok nìngay ;)

  'Efu oe nitram fì'uri a ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.

Ha tsal tok tì'i'at lì'fyaviyä :)


'ä'!  Tsatsenge oel sivar lì'ut alu talun, taluna fì'ul oeru tìng yayayrit nì'it... :-[ :-[ :-[

Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Blue Elf

Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on May 18, 2013, 08:37:21 AM
Slä fkol yem lì'uti alu furia sko lì'u a'awve, kefyak?
Tì'efumì oeyä, oe kan pamrel sivi lì'fyavi alu Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram.
Yes. And no.
As I understand it, topical goes at the beginning of the sentence. But, it can consist of main sentence and subordinates and because they can be connected by more ways, more positions are possible.
'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa. -> I feel happy regarding you had fun meeting.
Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram. -> As for that you had fun meeting, I feel happy.
Sentence order is different, but topical always stands as first in the sentence.
Quote'Efu oe nitram fì'uri a ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa.
fì'uri a = furia; that's just furia written in non-contracted form :)

But why shouldn't be possible:
ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa a fì'uri 'Efu oe nitram ? As fwa/fula/futa can be moved at the end of sentence as a fì'u/a fì'ul/a fì'ut, why not topical?
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Alyara Arati

Tse, n<ol>ew oe p<iv>lltxe san furia s<ol>alew me-hintrr ulte mi rey fì-kìng, 'efu oe nitram sìk.

Irayo ma frapo, ulte sìlpey oe tsnì fì'u v<iv>ar l<iv>u 'o' ay-nga-ru.

Krro krro oe-l tswa' futa zene oe pamrel s<iv>i fì-fyä fa ay-lì'u a-fyin.  Ngaytxoa.

Slä oe sunu fwa frapo l<er>u lemweypey sì tstunwi nì-txan nì-txin. :-*

Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Vawmataw

#197
Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 18, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
Tse, n<ol>ew oe p<iv>lltxe san furia s<ol>alew me-hintrr ulte mi rey fì-kìng, 'efu oe nitram sìk.

Irayo ma frapo, ulte sìlpey oe tsnì fì'u v<iv>ar l<iv>u 'o' ay-nga-ru.

Krro krro oe-l tswa' futa zene oe pamrel s<iv>i fì-fyä fa ay-lì'u a-fyin.  Ngaytxoa.

Slä oe sunu fwa frapo l<er>u lemweypey sì tstunwi nì-txan nì-txin. :-*

Kea tìkin. Lolu ngar sìltsana säfpìl, kop tìng ngaru karmati oe talun fìkìng. ;) Set, frapo tsun pivängkxo ulte nivume.  :D

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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Swoka Tsamsiyu on May 18, 2013, 09:51:14 AM
Kaltxì ma frapo,
Last post I see the word <tìyawr>. I learned from my Memrise <eyawr> is right, correct. So what's this tì thingie and why is it there. And why did the "e" disappear? Is that because of lenition? :-\


Quote from: Kamean on May 18, 2013, 01:27:39 PM
QuoteOnly Pawl can create new word with tì-
Nìngay srak? :o

Kehe, ke lu ngay nìwotx taluna tsun ayhapxìtu LEP-ä m<iv>ok tsa-fne-lì'u-ti. Slä zene Pawl m<iv>ll'an.


Quote from: Blue Elf on May 18, 2013, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on May 18, 2013, 08:37:21 AM
Slä fkol yem lì'uti alu furia sko lì'u a'awve, kefyak?
Tì'efumì oeyä, oe kan pamrel sivi lì'fyavi alu Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram.
Yes. And no.
As I understand it, topical goes at the beginning of the sentence. But, it can consist of main sentence and subordinates and because they can be connected by more ways, more positions are possible.
'Efu oe nitram furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa. -> I feel happy regarding you had fun meeting.
Furia ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa, 'efu oe nitram. -> As for that you had fun meeting, I feel happy.
Sentence order is different, but topical always stands as first in the sentence.


Quote
But why shouldn't be possible:
ngaru lolu 'o'a tsaultxa a Fì'uri 'efu oe nitram ? As fwa/fula/futa can be moved at the end of sentence as a fì'u/a fì'ul/a fì'ut, why not topical?


Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on May 18, 2013, 05:26:53 PM
Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 18, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
Tse, n<ol>ew oe p<iv>lltxe san furia s<ol>alew me-hintrr ulte mi rey fì-kìng, 'efu oe nitram sìk.

Irayo ma frapo, ulte sìlpey oe tsnì fì'u v<iv>ar l<iv>u 'o' ay-nga-ru.

Krro krro oe-l tswa' futa zene oe pamrel s<iv>i fì-fyä fa ay-lì'u a-fyin.  Ngaytxoa.

Slä oe sunu fwa frapo l<er>u lemweypey sì tstunwi nì-txan nì-txin. :-*

Kea tìkin. Lolu ngar sìltsana säfpìl, kop tìng ngaru karmati oe talun fìkìng. ;) Set, frapo tsun pivängkxo ulte nivume.  :D


Kameyuhu mllte oe. :D


Tìtstewan

Quote from: Tirea Aean on May 18, 2013, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Kamean on May 18, 2013, 01:27:39 PM
QuoteOnly Pawl can create new word with tì-
Nìngay srak? :o

Kehe, ke lu ngay nìwotx taluna tsun ayhapxìtu LEP-ä m<iv>ok tsa-fne-lì'u-ti. Slä zene Pawl m<iv>ll'an.

Tse, oel omum.  :) Tì- ke lu lesar nìwotx. Fì'u oeyä syon lolu. ;)

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