Pivängkxo nìNa'vi Ko! Beginner Na'vi Chat Thread

[Tìtstewan]

Kaltxì, oeru syaw Eywayä tìmwiä ulte oe n<er>ume leNa'vi lì'fya.  Oe tsy<ats>ìl ay-utral, m<ats>akto ay-fa'li, ulte t<ats>ul.  Oe k<äng>in srung.  Oeru lu fi-pongu ulte oe new w<ilv>alak.  Irayo, oe '<ats>efu oeru lu fìfya zola'u nìprrte'.

Txantsan! Oeru sunu ngeyä tìfmi.

Well, let's see:

Kaltxì, oeru syaw (fko) Eywayä tìmwiä ulte oe n<er>ume lì'fya leNa'vi.  Oel tsyìl ayutralit, makto ayfa'lit, ulte tul.  Oel k<äng>in ki<ei>n srungit.  Oeru lu fi-pongu ulte oe new w<ilv>alak. Oeru sunu fìpongu ulte oe nìsìlpey slivu walak fìtsenge. Irayo, oel '<ats>efu oeru lu fìfya zola'u nìprrte'. -> Zola'u nìprrte' ayngeyä, oe irayo seiyi.

I don't understand, why you are use <ats>? You are so unsure?

[Blue Elf]

Kaltxì, oeru syaw Eywayä tìmwiä ulte oe n<er>ume leNa'vi lì'fya.  Oe tsy<ats>ìl ay-utral, m<ats>akto ay-fa'li, ulte t<ats>ul.  Oe k<äng>in srung.  Oeru lu fi-pongu ulte oe new w<ilv>alak.  Irayo, oe '<ats>efu oeru lu fìfya zola'u nìprrte'.

Hello, my name is Eywayä tìmwiä and I am learning Na'vi.  I climb trees, ride horses, and run.  I need help.  I like this community, and I hope to become more active here.  Thank you for making me feel welcome.

Kaltxì, ma Eywayä tìmwiä, zola'u nìprrte'. Tung oer futa wìntxu ngar sengit a zene fko zeyko.

Hello Eywayä tìmwiä, welcome here. Let me to show you places, which neds to be repaired (corrected).
First - why do you use <ats> infix? It mark statement, where speaker is not sure whether what he says is fully correct. But believe you are sure that you climb trees, ride horse etc. Maybe you wanted to use <ei> to show your pleasure of these actions? Also, <ats> is second position infix and goes into last but one syllable in from of vowel, so not * matsako, but maktatso, same for 'efatsu (not *'atsefu)
second - take care how verbs are marked in dictionary. If it is vtr. (transitive verb), you must mark subject with -l/-ìl and object with -t/-ti/-it. Vin. verbs (intransitive) do not use subject marking and they can take only indirect object, marked by -r/-ru/-ur. For some vin. verbs is common to use topical. So when we correct your text, we get:

Kaltxì, oeru syaw Eywayä tìmwiä ulte lì'fyari leNa'vi oe n<er>ume.
Nume is vin. (quite new information) and it is used with topical (as for Na'vi language, I'm learning).
Oel tsyìl ay-utralit, makto ay-fa'lit, ulte tul. Oel kin srungit.

tsyìl, kin and makto are vtr., so case suffixes are needed. You got lenition after ay+ prefix correctly, good! And I think <äng> is not necessary - asking for help is not a shame!
Oeru  sunu fì-pongu (also lì'fyaolo') ulte oe new  livu walak nì'ul
I like this group/community (language group) and want to be more active.
Furia ayngal 'eykefu oet prrte' oe irayo si
Regarding fact you make me feel pleasure, I thank (you). "Irayo si" is another verb, which is used with topical, you put to this case thing for which you are thanking. There's more rules I can you show on your examples, but IMHO it is better to not overburden you. But if there's something unclear, just ask. Also, often there's more than one way how to say something, so my version is not the only possible. Other people can translate this in other words.

[Eywayä tìmwiä]

Thank you Blue Elf and Tìtstewan! I understand most of the corrections, but I don't understand the infixes, transitive or intransitive or those similar to it    Also what is IMHO?

[Alyara Arati]

In My Humble Opinion.

Spoiler: transitivity

Transitivity of a verb is concerned with whether or not it can take a direct object.  In other words, can it "verb" something, or does that not make any sense?  For example:

Give, tìng, is transitive (vtr).  I give gifts.  Oe-l tìng ay-stxeli-ti.  You need the -l and -t(i) there to show that the gift does not give me (because of flexible word order).

Sleep, hahaw, is intransitive (vin).  I can't sleep a thing.  So it doesn't need endings.  Oe hahaw.  I sleep.

Lu, the word is, is the same way.  You can be something, but it's a descriptive term, not an object.  Na'vi are blue.  Na'vi lu ean.  Ean lu Na'vi.  No endings there either.

You do run across an occasional verb that is defined as intransitive, but can still take an object, like write, pamrel si.  I write a story.  Oe pamrel si vur-ur.

This is what Blue Elf was referring to when he said that the (indirect) object of an intransitive verb takes -ur/-r(u) as an ending.

Edit: you might want to see this thread for a really excellent explanation of cases.

[Eywayä tìmwiä]

Thank you Alyara Arati.  That makes it a bit more clear.  I'll keep trying.

[Tìtstewan]

Here you find a really good affix (infixes like <ats>, <er> etc. / suffixes and prefixes) guide.

[Blue Elf]

Thank you Blue Elf and Tìtstewan! I understand most of the corrections, but I don't understand the infixes, transitive or intransitive or those similar to it    Also what is IMHO?

Maybe you find this thread useful. Here you find complete infix chart.
In general, infix is group of letters you put into verb (and verb only!). They are used to express causative/reflexive (zero infix position), time/aspect/subjunctive (first infix position) and mood of the speaker (second infix position).
In general, infixes of zero and first position go in last but one syllable, second position is in last syllable. In both cases you put them in front of vowel.
Some examples:
t<0><1>ar<2>on
t<0><1><2>ul
kem s<0><1><2>i (for all "si" verbs infixes go into si part).
muw<0><1>ìntx<2>u

There are some exceptions, where infix positions are different - such verbs are marked in dictionary as (ii) - irregular infix and infix positions are marked.

[Tìtstewan]

The thread from Tirea Aean has also these infix positions of the verbs. (and is a bit more actual...)

Also just a note that the 1680x1050px image of this linked thread doen't work.

And really, it can be exhausting to watch different threads for a beginner, isn't it?

[Blue Elf]

The thread from Tirea Aean has also these infix positions of the verbs. (and is a bit more actual...)

Also just a note that the 1680x1050px image of this linked thread doen't work.

And really, it can be exhausting to watch different threads for a beginner, isn't it?

Txo fko new ivomum, zene ivinan -> Who want to know, must read.
For first moment it can be difficult, but there's no need to read all threads just now. When you know more, beginner forum become small for you. And list of useful threads can be useful at that time. Knowledge is spread out over the whole language part of our forum. There's just problem to select threads with current and correct information. Some are outdated....
But I think we are now out of scope of this thread.

[Tìtstewan]

But I think we are now out of scope of this thread.

Eyawr.
Oe new piveng tsat. I would mentioned that.

[Eywayä tìmwiä]

Irayo! I am working on this, and I'll get better.

[Tirea Aean]

Spoiler: snip

Kaltxì, oeru syaw Eywayä tìmwiä ulte oe n<er>ume leNa'vi lì'fya.  Oe tsy<ats>ìl ay-utral, m<ats>akto ay-fa'li, ulte t<ats>ul.  Oe k<äng>in srung.  Oeru lu fi-pongu ulte oe new w<ilv>alak.  Irayo, oe '<ats>efu oeru lu fìfya zola'u nìprrte'.

Hello, my name is Eywayä tìmwiä and I am learning Na'vi.  I climb trees, ride horses, and run.  I need help.  I like this community, and I hope to become more active here.  Thank you for making me feel welcome.

Kaltxì, ma Eywayä tìmwiä, zola'u nìprrte'. Tung oer futa wìntxu ngar sengit a zene fko zeyko.

Hello Eywayä tìmwiä, welcome here. Let me to show you places, which neds to be repaired (corrected).
First - why do you use <ats> infix? It mark statement, where speaker is not sure whether what he says is fully correct. But believe you are sure that you climb trees, ride horse etc. Maybe you wanted to use <ei> to show your pleasure of these actions? Also, <ats> is second position infix and goes into last but one syllable in from of vowel, so not * matsako, but maktatso, same for 'efatsu (not *'atsefu)
second - take care how verbs are marked in dictionary. If it is vtr. (transitive verb), you must mark subject with -l/-ìl and object with -t/-ti/-it. Vin. verbs (intransitive) do not use subject marking and they can take only indirect object, marked by -r/-ru/-ur. For some vin. verbs is common to use topical.

So when we correct your text, we get:

Spoiler: snip

Kaltxì, oeru syaw Eywayä tìmwiä ulte lì'fyari leNa'vi oe n<er>ume.
Nume is vin. (quite new information) and it is used with topical (as for Na'vi language, I'm learning).
Oel tsyìl ay-utralit, makto ay-fa'lit, ulte tul. Oel kin srungit.

tsyìl, kin and makto are vtr., so case suffixes are needed. You got lenition after ay+ prefix correctly, good! And I think <äng> is not necessary - asking for help is not a shame!

Oeru  sunu lu fì-pongu (also lì'fyaolo') ulte oe new  livu walak nì'ul
I like this group/community (language group) and want to be more active.

Spoiler: snip

Furia ayngal 'eykefu oet prrte' oe irayo si
Regarding fact you make me feel pleasure, I thank (you). "Irayo si" is another verb, which is used with topical, you put to this case thing for which you are thanking. There's more rules I can you show on your examples, but IMHO it is better to not overburden you. But if there's something unclear, just ask. Also, often there's more than one way how to say something, so my version is not the only possible. Other people can translate this in other words.

Don't use lu with sunu because sunu is already the verb. You don't say *Oeru sunu lu fìpongu, you say Oeru sunu fìpongu

But I think we are now out of scope of this thread.

Eyawr.
Oel new pereng tsat. I would mentioned that.

-> Oe new piveng tsat.

Ngay. O.o

Irayo! I am working on this, and I'll get better.

Txo nga vivar tskxekeng sivi pxìm tsakrr nga paylltxe nìltsan, kezemplltxe.

Spoiler

If you keep practicing often then you will speak well, it goes without saying.

[Blue Elf]

Don't use lu with sunu because sunu is already the verb. You don't say *Oeru sunu lu fìpongu, you say Oeru sunu fìpongu

Meh, I have no idea where lu went there. Seems I changed my idea during writing and didn't do all corrections. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Palulukan Maktoyu]

Ok learned sumtin New with that line. Didn't realise you could use inan could beer used for say reading a book. :-D

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Txo fko new ivomum, zene ivinan -> Who want to know, must read.

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fpole' fa spulmokri oeyä.

[Plumps]

Ka wotx, fko tsun tsalì'ut sivar fte pivlltxe san read a book sìk slä nìran sweylu txo fkol sivar lì'ut alu puk fu pamrel fte ralur law sivi.

Spoiler

In general one can use that word to say 'read a book' but one should use the word 'book' or 'writing' to make the meaning clear.

[Swoka Tsamsiyu]

Kaltxì ma frapo,
I'm a bit confused. Ma Plumps, you use <sleyku>, doens't that mean <produce>? I learned that in my Memrise. Sometimes I'm lost when I see words used that to me mean something else entirely

[Plumps]

Kaltxì ma frapo,
I'm a bit confused. Ma Plumps, you use <sleyku>, doens't that mean <produce>? I learned that in my Memrise. Sometimes I'm lost when I see words used that to me mean something else entirely

Lu ngaru yayayr srak? Ngari txe'lan mawey livu

Nga fpìl teri tìketeng letrrtrr srak? Fu fpìl teri zeya tìketeng a'aw srak?
Fìlì'uä ral slu nì'Ìnglìsì produce nìngay slä kop za'u ta sl‹eyk›u. Fkol tsat sar fte livawk sì'efut mìfayä ('awsiteng hu lì'u alu 'eykefu, tìomummì oeyä).

     fì'ul / fìkemìl oeti sleyku nitram

Sìlpey oe tsnì tìoeyktìng law silvi.

Spoiler

You are confused? No worries

Do you mean in general or do you have a specific example in mind?
It is indeed listed as "produce" but it also comes from sl‹eyk›u which is "make/cause to become". Especially in sentences like "this thing/action makes me happy" it is used (along with 'eykefu, I believe) to speak of inner feelings.

     "this (thing/action) makes me happy"
     (lit.: this causes me to become happy)

I hope this explanation cleared things up.

[Swoka Tsamsiyu]

Kaltxì ma Plumps,
Irayo tsa ngal oeyktìng fì'ut oeru. Oeru omum aylì'u slä set oel lu sivar ayli'ut tìeyawr.
Thank you that you explain this word to me. I know the words but now I have to use the words correctly.

I have this with more words. I guess it's just practise, practise, practise...

[Plumps]

Kaltxì ma Plumps,
Irayo tsa ngal oeyktìng fì'ut oeru. Oeru omum aylì'u slä set oel lu sivar ayli'ut tìeyawr.
Thank you that you explain this word to me. I know the words but now I have to use the words correctly.

I have this with more words. I guess it's just practise, practise, practise...

›››› Furia ngal oeyktìng fì'ut oeru irayo (si). Oel omum aylì'ut slä set zene oe sivar aylì'ut nìeyawr.

Nìprrte'.

Sran, ngaru tìyawr. tsulfä za'u fa tskxekeng
Ha, txo ngaru lu sìpawm, syaw nì'aw

Spoiler

You're welcome/(I helped) With pleasure.

Yes, you are right. Mastery comes with practice
So, if you have questions, just call

[Tirea Aean]

eltur tìtxen si fwa ral lì'uä alu sleyku stum kawkrr ke lu produce.

Spoiler

The weird thing about sleyku is that it hardly ever means produce. it almost always means "makes" or "makes .. be .." as in "That makes me happy". It seems to be an alternative to 'eykefu in that situation.