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Offline Maweya tswonyu

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Plural Possessive
« on: January 08, 2011, 06:04:23 am »
Kaltxì guys.

Does anyone have any idea where to place the genitive suffix if there are multiple agents?

e.g. "Mine and his."
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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 06:24:41 am »
Oeyä _____ peyä ...



But when would this happen? Mine and his what then what..?
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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 06:54:42 am »
Perhaps, "oeyä muntxate alu Sorewn peyä muntxatehu alu Neytiri parmlltxe."
« Last Edit: January 08, 2011, 06:57:40 am by Maweyatan »


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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 06:56:18 am »
I'm not sure, though, because couldn't we also use the pronoun, "pum"?

oeyä muntxate alu Sorewn peyä pumhu alu Neytiri parmlltxe
« Last Edit: January 08, 2011, 06:58:13 am by Maweyatan »


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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2011, 07:28:56 am »
I'm not sure, though, because couldn't we also use the pronoun, "pum"?

oeyä muntxate alu Sorewn peyä pumhu alu Neytiri parmlltxe
I think he is asking about some single thing posses to more than one agent... but I don't know when would this happen...
In your example the two "wifes" are not the same person

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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2011, 08:21:22 am »
OH!

Possibly it'd be moeyä?

"moeyä tìpängkxo"


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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2011, 08:37:42 am »
Ignore these wrong things.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2011, 10:24:38 am by Ikran Ahiyìk »
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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2011, 08:43:03 am »
Moeyä -> mine and yours

but I have ho idea about... mine and his -> ?? ???
Moeyä = mine and his/hers
Oengeyä = mine and yours
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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2011, 09:35:34 am »
From the Weaving Song:

  Tompayä kato, tsawkeyä kato,
  trrä sì txonä,


So, you can connect the possessors with .
'Awa lì'fya ke tam kawkrr.
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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2011, 10:24:12 am »
Moeyä -> mine and yours

but I have ho idea about... mine and his -> ?? ???
Moeyä = mine and his/hers
Oengeyä = mine and yours
Oh I am always so careless...

But that "he/she" can be someone far away, can't be included by moe sometimes
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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2011, 11:32:42 am »
Moeyä -> mine and yours

but I have ho idea about... mine and his -> ?? ???
Moeyä = mine and his/hers
Oengeyä = mine and yours
Oh I am always so careless...

But that "he/she" can be someone far away, can't be included by moe sometimes
The dual, trial, and plural pronouns don't always refer to people close at hand, they just refer to a group of people. This group can be defined by context:

Oel talmaron hu Neytiri sì Jake Sully trram. Pxoel yerikit tolaron.
I went hunting with Neytiri and Jake Sully yesterday. We (three) hunted a hexapede.

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Re: Plural Possessive
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2011, 09:01:34 pm »
Moeyä -> mine and yours

but I have ho idea about... mine and his -> ?? ???
Moeyä = mine and his/hers
Oengeyä = mine and yours
Oh I am always so careless...

But that "he/she" can be someone far away, can't be included by moe sometimes
The dual, trial, and plural pronouns don't always refer to people close at hand, they just refer to a group of people. This group can be defined by context:

Oel talmaron hu Neytiri sì Jake Sully trram. Pxoel yerikit tolaron.
I went hunting with Neytiri and Jake Sully yesterday. We (three) hunted a hexapede.
So now it's end..
For some cases we can use moeyä, pxoeyä, ayoeyä, if not we still can use to link (but is there any rules?).
Plltxe nìhiyìk na ikran... oe fmeri sìltsan nì'ul slivu, ngaytxoa...


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